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Post by 2211 on Oct 26, 2019 10:51:25 GMT
For the average person, finding truth takes time and research. The truth is said to be in plain sight however it has become obscured by radicals or external influences.
-Advanced technology I have personally witnessed this on two separate occasions. Vehicles moving in the sky or atmosphere where the laws of gravity don't seem to apply.
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Post by peter2 on Oct 26, 2019 23:28:19 GMT
>The truth is said to be in plain sight
Philosophically "truth" is a reification - treating a quality (trueness) as an object (truth).
Similarly "knowledge" is not an external object to be piled up in books but rather the state of knowing, intrinsic to the knower.
So in the case of an alleged truth, I tend to ask: to what is it true?
For example a door post is commonly regarded as true if it is aligned with the direction of gravitational force.
Humans often act so as to be true to their beliefs and in order to be at peace mentally they posit their beliefs as truths and go to war with those that disagree.
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Post by peter2 on Oct 26, 2019 23:29:36 GMT
>where the laws of gravity don't seem to apply
In science a law is merely a regular relationship observed over time in a context. Other times and contexts may well reveal different regularities
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Post by 2211 on Oct 27, 2019 0:36:55 GMT
Truth- I had a conversation with someone about this a while ago. Truth doesn't give a "feeling", it is knowing. What is interesting is knowing truth when you " see " it. A realization, or epiphany as some say.
A distorted truth is worse than a lie.
An old saying.. We must pass through the darkness, to reach the light.” “Fictions are necessary for the people, and the Truth becomes deadly to those who are not strong enough to contemplate it in all its brilliance.
What do you suppose Albert Pike was talking about with the word deadly?
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Post by peter2 on Oct 27, 2019 1:54:36 GMT
Here is the full quote:
Synesius, Bishop of Ptolemais, a great Kabalist, but of doubtful orthodoxy, wrote: "The people will always mock at things easy to be understood; it must needs have impostures." "A Spirit," he said, "that loves wisdom and contemplates the Truth close at hand, is forced to disguise it, to induce the multitudes to accept it Fictions are necessary to the people, and the Truth becomes deadly to those who are not strong enough to contemplate it in all its brilliance. If the sacerdotal laws allowed the reservation of judgments and the allegory of words, I would accept the proposed dignity on condition that I might be a philosopher at home, and abroad a narrator of apologues and parables. . .. In fact, what can there be in common between the vile multitude and sublime wisdom? The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason." Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry - page 103
As you can see it is not Pike that wrote that - although he did quote it.
There are many matters to which Synesius might have referred. For example the gods of most peoples were/are humanoids able to interbreed with humans. What religionist would want to know that? Would religionists go to war over statements such as Jesus was/is not God.
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Post by 2211 on Oct 29, 2019 19:51:44 GMT
Thank you for expanding the quote
At what point do people subconsciously decide... " i've learned enough, nothing else matters ". Is it not inherent in human beings to seek truth.
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Post by peter2 on Oct 29, 2019 20:17:09 GMT
>do people subconsciously decide... " i've learned enough
There is an intelligence within the human mind that is often called "the dweller on the threshold" but is perhaps more accurately called "the personal will" -PW.
This intelligence manages the human persona to protect itself and not the human. As the intelligence has for its highest value its own self-esteem, it will discard aspects of the human persona in order to protect itself.
For example the PW will often refuse to admit that it has had faulty beliefs and, for example, allow the human body to die rather than admit that for 50 years the PW has had faulty beliefs about diet.
Similarly the PW will often prefer to let a relationship fail than admit that it did not behave properly.
Similarly, the PW, to protect the secret of its separate existence, may object to the human learning about Reality
The PW forces the human to get its act together in order to protect the PW. Eventually however the human may be sufficiently together to make contact with the soul. At this time the PW uses a wide range of defences that may delay the human's progress for several lives.
Eventually the human achieves enlightenment and the PW's role changes from self-defence to creativity
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Post by 2211 on Oct 30, 2019 1:56:39 GMT
Well said. I am curious to see how this unfolds from birth. There are critical moments in a childs life where this type of knowledge should be present.
Children today are trained to memorize and learn facts, not to think for themselves or to synthesize what they have learned - how far back does this go really?
As a result I believe this mistake in part has lead to the declining numbers in masonry. Many years ago the workforce needed line workers and large numbers of laborers. Now we seek creative/innovative individuals and are coming up short.
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Post by peter2 on Oct 30, 2019 5:44:20 GMT
>Children today are trained to memorize and learn facts, not to think for themselves or to synthesize what they have learned
That is true in many respects and yet millions of school children recently went on strike because they disagreed with what they were taught about the planet.
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