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Post by devoutfreemason on Feb 20, 2007 0:44:33 GMT
I have been invited to attend the next stated meeting at George Washington Union here in San Francisco. They are a Co-Masonic lodge chartered by the Grand Orient Of France. They are also affilated with a malecraft lodge that is also chartered by the GODF that meets in the same temple. I am very excited about both lodges, even though I have the challenge of learning the French language in order to get anything out of the male craft lodge ;D Does anyone else here have any experiance with George Washington Union? So Mote It Be, Brad www.georgewashingtonunion.org
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Post by maat on Feb 20, 2007 3:40:21 GMT
What an interesting link - and I loved the video bit on the Lodge of Isis. Shivers.
It will be interesting to see how CLIPSAS continues to evolve. I am all for mutual recognition.
Keep posting devoutfreemason ... I would love to hear what you have to say on lots of subjects.
Cheers Maat
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Post by gipsyrose on Feb 20, 2007 4:54:40 GMT
Welcome devoutfreemason
I also enjoyed the opening sequence for the Lodge of Isis.
I was curious to read about the Volume of the Sacred Law being a symbolical "blank book" which was representative for everyone in the lodge without offending anyone.
Has anyone specific experience with or knowledge of this practice, and what do people think of it?
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Post by Bettendorf on Feb 28, 2007 3:45:53 GMT
I was curious to read about the Volume of the Sacred Law being a symbolical "blank book" which was representative for everyone in the lodge without offending anyone. Has anyone specific experience with or knowledge of this practice, and what do people think of it? That is a GOdF practice as they admit atheists as Masons, a religious testament would most definately make an atheist tense.
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Post by wayseer on Feb 28, 2007 5:33:31 GMT
If the VSL is a 'blank book' on what would Jacob's Ladder rest?
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Post by Tamrin on Feb 28, 2007 5:54:19 GMT
Bro. WayseerIf the VSL is a 'blank book' on what would Jacob's Ladder rest? For what its worth, the ladder in Jacob's dream (Gen. 28:12) rested upon the earth. Somehow, the stones he used as a pillow (Gen. 28:11) seem to tie in with the vision. When I was made a R.A.M., I was obligated on the 'Porphyry Stone' and given the reason that, in the 'historical' context of the degree, that there was no V.S.L. (by the same reasoning, there should have been no V.S.L. in the Craft, etc.). The V.S.L. has since been included in the R.A.M.°, at least in my jurisdiction.
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Post by whistler on Feb 28, 2007 8:17:21 GMT
If the VSL is a 'blank book' on what would Jacob's Ladder rest? I have heard often of the Blank Book - which is excellent for those whose VSL is in their own Heart - not in the writings of some scribe. for all the symbolism some may give the Koran, Bible or what ever would still apply to a VSL that contains the heart and intention, for those whose most potent, sacred force is within.
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Post by middlepillar on Feb 28, 2007 9:10:48 GMT
I was curious to read about the Volume of the Sacred Law being a symbolical "blank book" which was representative for everyone in the lodge without offending anyone. Has anyone specific experience with or knowledge of this practice, and what do people think of it? That is a GOdF practice as they admit atheists as Masons, a religious testament would most definately make an atheist tense. I have to say in my own personal experience of Athiests a Religious Testament would not make then Tense. It would mean absolutely nothing to them, and I would say if it did they werent athiest in the first place! France seekms to have the largest amount of masonic Groups meeting in one Country as well as the largest proportion of Non Believing Freemasons. I myself like the idae of a Blank Book if indeed it is in respect of someone beliving God is indeed in Himself and they are taking thier Obligation with that in mind. However a blank Book to an Athiest is again as big a waste of time as a sacred book. They just do not believe!
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Post by Bettendorf on Feb 28, 2007 16:35:08 GMT
That is a GOdF practice as they admit atheists as Masons, a religious testament would most definately make an atheist tense. I have to say in my own personal experience of Athiests a Religious Testament would not make them Tense. It would mean absolutely nothing to them, and I would say if it did they werent athiest in the first place! However a blank Book to an Athiest is again as big a waste of time as a sacred book. They just do not believe! Sure they would be tense; tense all up until refreshment when they can finally walk over and tell you what a hare-brained idiot you are for believing in Invisible Pink Unicorns!
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Post by maat on Feb 28, 2007 23:53:15 GMT
Bro. WayseerIf the VSL is a 'blank book' on what would Jacob's Ladder rest? For what its worth, the ladder in Jacob's dream (Gen. 28:12) rested upon the earth. Somehow, the stones he used as a pillow (Gen. 28:11) seem to tie in with the vision. When I was made a R.A.M., I was obligated on the 'Porphyry Stone' and given the reason that, in the 'historical' context of the degree, that there was no V.S.L. (by the same reasoning, there should have been no V.S.L. in the Craft, etc.). The V.S.L. has since been included in the R.A.M.°, at least in my jurisdiction. Hi Tamrin Ark Trivia Did you know that the sarcophagus in the Great Pyramid is of Pink Granite/Porphyry Stone and that the pyramids were known at one stage as the 'mountains of Araaraat' after a ruler of the period. And I am told that even the Bible mentions somewhere that the ark came to rest on the mountain's' of Ararat. Made me wonder if it was ON or IN. According to Cayce... (esoterics only) sociologyesoscience.com/esoterica/cbooks14.htmlMaat
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Post by devoutfreemason on May 17, 2007 21:14:19 GMT
I was curious to read about the Volume of the Sacred Law being a symbolical "blank book" which was representative for everyone in the lodge without offending anyone. Has anyone specific experience with or knowledge of this practice, and what do people think of it? That is a GOdF practice as they admit atheists as Masons, a religious testament would most definately make an atheist tense. This is a common misconception. The GoDF does not admit athiests as "practice." They leave it up to the individual lodge to admit who they see fit. Those decisions are made at the lodge level, not the GL level. In fact, one of the things I find so beautiful and inspiring abour the GOdF is that 99% of what happens does so at the lodge level.
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Post by parisfred on Jun 21, 2007 10:10:58 GMT
" If the VSL is a 'blank book' on what would Jacob's Ladder rest? " my dear brother, The Jacob ladder is a symbol of some ritual non all of them, I think it was added in the 19th century in england.
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