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Post by leonardo on Sept 6, 2007 6:40:39 GMT
IMO there really is no 'co'. We are all one, we are all Masons. Brothers, sisters, recognized or not, we stand together on an invisible level. It may take a while before everyone realizes that, but they will! Well said. Agree, totally
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Post by wayseer on Sept 6, 2007 6:43:43 GMT
Yes - I look forward to the day when such is more readily recognised.
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Post by hollandr on Sept 6, 2007 6:50:21 GMT
>I look forward to the day when such is more readily recognised.
I wonder if we will use the Christian church approach. Having run out of men to be priests most churches started accepting women priest. Traditional dogma was dispensed with in the face of necessity
Will we, running out of members accept women?
Or is it better for lodges to close rather than survive with women?
Cheers
Russell
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Post by leonardo on Sept 6, 2007 6:54:27 GMT
There are hopeful signs of this happening already, I amentioned before that many from the likes of UGLE are now openly speaking favourably about Co-Masons and women Masons. The resolving of the recognition issue between GLs will unfortunately take time - but it will I feel happen, perhaps not in my life time but eventually.
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Post by leonardo on Sept 6, 2007 6:58:28 GMT
>I look forward to the day when such is more readily recognised. I wonder if we will use the Christian church approach. Having run out of men to be priests most churches started accepting women priest. Traditional dogma was dispensed with in the face of necessity Will we, running out of members accept women? Or is it better for lodges to close rather than survive with women? Cheers Russell Or is it better for lodges to close rather than survive with women?That would be a drastic approach but I imagine wit the existing mindset of some people today this would sadly be considered preferable.
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Post by corab on Sept 6, 2007 11:15:39 GMT
Thanks Bro:. Phil -- I was aware of the website, of course, but am after a more personal means of progressing these matters. Experience teaches that referrals are best made on the appropriate level in the national hierarchy. I'm specifically after a way of referring people to the Eastern Order.
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Post by corab on Sept 6, 2007 11:23:28 GMT
The resolving of the recognition issue between GLs will unfortunately take time ... It certainly will, because for an all-male order to formally recognise feminine and co-masonry is to publicly declare the 'unchangeable' landmarks changeable after all, and therefore by extension flawed. It's rather like claiming to have built a perfect edifice in all but that its foundation is flawed. As for recognition in general ... well, that'd take some serious diminishing of mutual egoes, so again a matter that might just take some time ... ... but eventually it will happen. After all, how could we possibly claim to be building the Temple of Humanity by excluding fellow Masons?
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Post by leonardo on Sept 6, 2007 12:09:23 GMT
The resolving of the recognition issue between GLs will unfortunately take time ... It certainly will, because for an all-male order to formally recognise feminine and co-masonry is to publicly declare the 'unchangeable' landmarks changeable after all, and therefore by extension flawed. It's rather like claiming to have built a perfect edifice in all but that its foundation is flawed. As for recognition in general ... well, that'd take some serious diminishing of mutual egoes, so again a matter that might just take some time ... ... but eventually it will happen. After all, how could we possibly claim to be building the Temple of Humanity by excluding fellow Masons? Wow! Well said.
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Post by imakegarb on Sept 6, 2007 16:18:31 GMT
The resolving of the recognition issue between GLs will unfortunately take time ... It certainly will, because for an all-male order to formally recognise feminine and co-masonry is to publicly declare the 'unchangeable' landmarks changeable after all, and therefore by extension flawed. Not at all. For, IMHO, I do not believe the Landmarks have ever been written down (we've debated that here). And that this is not one of them. So nothing is changed. Only recognized. This is faaaaaaaaaar more to the point: Perfectly said.
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 6, 2007 21:10:21 GMT
Thanks Bro:. Phil -- I was aware of the website, of course, but am after a more personal means of progressing these matters. Experience teaches that referrals are best made on the appropriate level in the national hierarchy. I would be happy to pass on queries about the Eastern Order in Australia and New Zealand to a Consistory member (32°) with whom I am well acquainted ( the Eastern Order is not yet established in Australia).
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Post by wayseer on Sept 7, 2007 12:38:03 GMT
It certainly will, because for an all-male order to formally recognise feminine and co-masonry is to publicly declare the 'unchangeable' landmarks changeable after all, and therefore by extension flawed.
Well, those sacred cows,landmarks, have been changed in the past and FM has not disappeared beneath the waves as a result.
And as has been noted - there are no landmarks because to establish a landmark one has not establish a doctrine and then dogma.
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Post by penfold on Sept 7, 2007 14:01:44 GMT
Remember, its not just a matter of the malecraft accepting the co-masons, or women masons, the female-craft also would need to join with in accepting male-craft and co-masonry, as would all of the smaller gl's that keep popping up, not to mention the various co-masonic bodies that don't recognise each other.
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Post by imakegarb on Sept 7, 2007 17:17:27 GMT
". . . and the green grass grows all around, all around . . . "
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Post by leonardo on Sept 7, 2007 18:27:05 GMT
Remember, its not just a matter of the malecraft accepting the co-masons, or women masons, the female-craft also would need to join with in accepting male-craft and co-masonry, as would all of the smaller gl's that keep popping up, not to mention the various co-masonic bodies that don't recognise each other. I think it was Confucius who said: the journey of a 1000 miles begins with the first step.
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 7, 2007 23:02:01 GMT
initiated in a lodge with men and women, now member of a male only lodge and still often working in mixed lodge, I am quite sure that I will go back to an universal lodge someday.
do you have another word than co mason for lodge with men and women ? Good question.
I am sure there is but Co-Mason is the only one I'm aware of.
A Uni-Sex Lodge might work but it wouldn't have the same ring to it
Be interesting to hear other references, though.Not Satan (let alone Lucifer) but Pan, who was literally demonized by the Church, with his iconography being consigned to Satan. Pan was the totality of all that is, hence the words "panacea" and "panic" (looking for an alternative term for "Co-Masonic", we could do worse than "Pan-Masonic," to emphasize the universality of the science). Pan could be mischievous but was neither good nor evil—He just was.
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Post by leonardo on Sept 8, 2007 6:30:40 GMT
Phillip, I think "Pan-Masonic" sound great and reminds me of Pantheism which is very close to aspects of Buddhism and both are close to my heart
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 16, 2007 3:48:36 GMT
Just curious: How many "Femalecraft" Masons have we on the forum?
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Post by gipsyrose on Sept 16, 2007 13:03:47 GMT
I've been away from here and dealing with the rest of life for a few weeks, so letting you know I am another of the co-masons who frequent this board.
gipsyrose
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Post by leonardo on Sept 16, 2007 13:46:13 GMT
Well, welcome back to the forum gipsyrose and thanks for adding to the topic. It really is amazing how many Co-Masons we have here on MFOL. Soon (hopefully ) there will be another
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Post by ingo on Sept 24, 2007 11:20:31 GMT
I am a Co-Mason from Germany.
Fraternal Greetings Ingo
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