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Post by gaslight on Sept 22, 2007 22:33:55 GMT
Just 13 day to go before we know the results of the ballot Does that mean the ballot will be held in 12 days and you'll know the result in 13? Does the LDH have any rules about when and how the result of a ballot is communicated to the petitioner?
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Post by leonardo on Sept 22, 2007 22:41:02 GMT
I was a tad premature because the 13 days commences at midnight, in about 15 minutes The ballot is due to take place Saturday 13 of October and we are expecting/hoping to hear the results then. Perhaps initially via a phone call and then a more formal letter. Time will tell
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Post by gaslight on Sept 22, 2007 22:59:50 GMT
The ballot is due to take place Saturday 13 of October and we are expecting/hoping to hear the results then. Perhaps initially via a phone call and then a more formal letter. Thanks. I was wondering if LDH had a requirement for a written announcement of the result of the ballot. Clearly it does. As a lodge secretary I often wonder if an email announcement would satisfy the requirement that "the decision of the Lodge be communicated to him forthwith in writing".
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Post by leonardo on Sept 23, 2007 6:30:15 GMT
I imagine it will be a more formal thing, i.e; by way of a letter, but however it is I hope we don't have to wait too long to hear the news. As you can appreciate we are somewhat anxious to learn to how things will turn out
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Post by whistler on Sept 23, 2007 8:20:32 GMT
Leo - I am delighted to hear of your application and indeed your wife's as well. Had it been possible I would have loved to Nominate you years ago. Hgw
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Post by leonardo on Sept 23, 2007 9:22:18 GMT
Leo - I am delighted to hear of your application and indeed your wife's as well. Had it been possible I would have loved to Nominate you years ago. Hgw Thank you Whistler, I really appreciate your comments. It took awhile to become aware of the benefits of Co-Masonry but in the end it all just made perfect sense - my wife can now also embark on this wonderful journey that is ahead of us and we can share everything that is revealed through teaching in lodge. I remember when I first became interested in FM and started posting over on TFM you mentioned about Co-Masonry, but at the time my head was elsewhere, certainly nowhere near appreciating what it had to offer. I guess you, along with others, planted the seed but it has taken all this time to see it begin to grow. Whistler, are you with LDH?
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Post by lauderdale on Sept 23, 2007 12:09:49 GMT
I too owe a great Debt of Gratitude to Bro Whistler for opening my mind and helping to make the scales fall from my eyes as regards Co-Masonry. Thanks Brother!
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Post by corab on Sept 23, 2007 14:26:30 GMT
Bro:. Gaslight, Thanks. I was wondering if LDH had a requirement for a written announcement of the result of the ballot. Clearly it does. I'm afraid it is not so "clear". In our Obedience, lodges truly are autonomous (within the remits of the General Regulations and International Constitution), and certainly in the British Federation that autonomy is deeply respected. Meaning that you should not make the mistake of assuming that what one lodge does sets the standard for its Federation / Jurisdiction, let alone the entire Order! A lodge secretary myself, I'm not aware of there being such a formal requirement in my Obedience, however I would agree that it is "best practice". S&F, Cora
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Post by whistler on Sept 23, 2007 19:15:16 GMT
Gas Light, At our Meeting after a Ballot the Master instructs the Secretary top write to the candidate advising that he/our she will be initiated at the next available meeting. ( I have never seen an unsuccessful Ballot) Leo: No we are not part of LDH now- we certainly were when I started - about 5 years ago when LDH was ruled by a man From Iceland - some edicts came from "Head Office" that were unacceptable to many including threatening our ritual: There was a Break away in Many parts of the World and "The Eastern Order of International Co-Freemasonry" was born. - The Politics of all this has never intruded on my Freemasonry Little has changed for us - I still use my old tattered ritual book - As I type this have to chuckle at the ritual page headed " Note to the fifth edition" amongst other things it says The Lodges of The Craft are allowed a choice between the sanctioned Rituals some preferring the more ornate, Others plainer Rituals ..etc etc Then .... The Lodges should observe towards each other the old rule; :In things essential, Unity; in non-essentials, Liberty; in all things Charity
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Post by leonardo on Sept 23, 2007 20:20:03 GMT
Thanks Whistler for taking the time to answer my question. I am not a political animal by any stretch of the imagine so try not to get into that side if things if at all possible, but it seems, as in all things, it (politics) even effects aspects of Freemasonry as a whole.
If I may ask, what is the name of the ritual you use? The lodge we joining (God willing) uses Lauderdale.
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Post by whistler on Sept 23, 2007 21:03:10 GMT
Leo. I just don't Know I have even asked my Fellow Co-masons - they haven't heard of the "Lauderdale ritual' That doesn't mean it is not' It is just a Blue ritual Book The front page states International Co-freemasonry Le Droit Humain (1916 Working Revised) Next page Issued by Command and Authority of The Very Illustrious Brother RADHA BURNIER 33 Degree P.M., P.M.M., P.Z., P.M.W.Ss., etc Most Puisant Grand Commander and Representative of the Supreme Council for The Eastern Federation The Next page refers to NOTE TO THE FIFTH EDITION (1925) and the Next page refers to NOTE TO THE FOUTH EDITION (1916) and the next NOTE TO THE THIRD EDITION (1913) at the bottom of the page First Edition 1904; Reprinted 1908. 1947, 1964, 1972, 1977I don't know if the above any clue and are curious to know if our ritual may be your "Lauderdale"
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Post by leonardo on Sept 23, 2007 21:19:18 GMT
That is interesting. I can assure you the one our Lodge uses is the Lauderdale. Note also it was at one time known as the Sidney ritual.
Does that help?
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Post by corab on Sept 23, 2007 21:33:56 GMT
Whistler, Leo,
Same family, different generation. I believe both are linear descendants of the Dharma Ritual; Lauderdale is just more recent. We work the 1992 version. I think Whistler's might be a version known as the Sidney Ritual.
h.g.w.,
Cora
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Post by imakegarb on Sept 23, 2007 21:55:08 GMT
. . .amongst other things it says The Lodges of The Craft are allowed a choice between the sanctioned Rituals some preferring the more ornate, Others plainer Rituals ..etc etc Then .... The Lodges should observe towards each other the old rule; :In things essential, Unity; in non-essentials, Liberty; in all things Charity (little smile) Bro. Whistler, in my jurisdiction, we are not permitted a ritual book until after we are raised. I am to be raised in a few weeks and I hope to have my ritual book then. I am in great hopes that I will find this same passage therein. It is, I think, true.
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Post by leonardo on Sept 23, 2007 22:04:09 GMT
Whistler, Leo, Same family, different generation. I believe both are linear descendants of the Dharma Ritual; Lauderdale is just more recent. We work the 1992 version. I think Whistler's might be a version known as the Sidney Ritual. h.g.w., Cora Thanks Cora for coming to the rescue there. I thought the Sidney and the Lauderdale were one and the same.
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Post by whistler on Sept 23, 2007 22:24:33 GMT
. . .amongst other things it says The Lodges of The Craft are allowed a choice between the sanctioned Rituals some preferring the more ornate, Others plainer Rituals ..etc etc Then .... The Lodges should observe towards each other the old rule; :In things essential, Unity; in non-essentials, Liberty; in all things Charity (little smile) Bro. Whistler, in my jurisdiction, we are not permitted a ritual book until after we are raised. I am to be raised in a few weeks and I hope to have my ritual book then. I am in great hopes that I will find this same passage therein. It is, I think, true. It is the same in ours you get your full ritual book when you are raised - if you got it before Ye Gods you might read something you shouldn't and turn into a frog or something
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Post by jmd on Sept 23, 2007 23:23:37 GMT
Having (briefly) looked at the British imprint of the ritual now termed 'Lauderdale', it is, ritual-wise, word for word the same to the previously termed 'Adyar Dharma' (that I prefer to call 'Leadbeater-Besant) one...
The differences are, nonetheless, therein: the 'Lauderdale' has none of the 'red' rubric found in the Adhyar LDH version, and some of the 'options' have been removed as optional (eg, Ob.).
My quick reading through, however, skipped what an experienced LDH 32 pointed out to me was an 'additional' 'So Mote it Be' in one of the rituals when compared to the other.
So basically, Whistler in the EO in NZ and the British Fed. of LDH use the same ritual, though differently named - though as has been mentioned, each LDH Lodge is also at liberty to use any of the 'approved' rituals.
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Post by leonardo on Oct 8, 2007 8:50:23 GMT
5 days to go!Next Saturday we will be balloted and if all goes well we hope to be initiated the following month.
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Post by ingo on Oct 8, 2007 9:53:21 GMT
Leo I will keep fingers crossed. :-)
Whistler, Cora May I recieve the Dharma and Lauderdale ritual for the blue degrees, please? By eMail?
Fraternal greetings Ingo
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Post by leonardo on Oct 12, 2007 13:06:20 GMT
1 day to go. Tomorrow, Saturday 13th October, a decision will be made by the good men and women of the lodge we petitioned for membership. Hopefully we will hear soon after the meeting how things went Fingers & toes crossed
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