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Truth
Nov 2, 2004 5:12:32 GMT
Post by whistler on Nov 2, 2004 5:12:32 GMT
Having battled intolerance on another forum, I remember this quote from a worthy Mason All truths are Truths of Period and not truths for eternity. What has been a truth for the time, was and is a good as men are capable of receiving I have always liked this, it reminds me that what I believe today I do not have to believe tomorrow, even if today it is true for me I must be open to new wisdom that may come my way, and what was true today can be false. Do you like it?
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Nov 2, 2004 8:11:04 GMT
Post by staffs on Nov 2, 2004 8:11:04 GMT
Cant get my head around that one ?? but i underastand what you are getting at
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Nov 2, 2004 8:23:09 GMT
Post by taylorsman on Nov 2, 2004 8:23:09 GMT
Truth? I always remember the words of Pontius Pilate to Christ "What is Truth?". Although some matters are accepted as a "given" by most people and cultures there are others which are subject to "spins" and fashions and held out to be "received wisdom" when in fact they are but theories. I for one do not accept some of the fashionable Theories of current times such as "Game Theory" and "Chaos Theory" and have great doubts about a lot of the Quantum concepts stated to be hard Truth by many scientists these days. There have been too many times in the past when what had appeared to be fact then and widely accepted as such was subsequently disproved by advances in technology etc. Again one group can state a matter to be "Truth" when it is no more than opinion, policy or interpretation. I choked on my coffee on morning listening to a clergyman on the radio use the phrase "Doctrinal Truth" to describe a policy of his Church which was under attack. So to define "Truth" to my mind is an impossible task and I can agree with the passage that Bro Whistler has posted.
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Truth
Nov 2, 2004 8:35:18 GMT
Post by whistler on Nov 2, 2004 8:35:18 GMT
Cant get my head around that one ?? but i underastand what you are getting at Look at your children, you can see sometimes they really really believe something is true - Like the tooth fairy puts money under their pillow. For a time for them that is true, and when they tell you that the Tooth fairy exists that is "their truth for that period." You know that their belief - their personal truth in the tooth fairy will not be for " eternity" and after a time they will be "capable " of receiving another truth. Then the children will say the tooth fairy doesn't exist and that will be their new " Truth" Think of your own learning how many times have you really believed something or some idea to be true, and then later on you gain new knowledge and what you believe was true for you, is not true any more and you believe something different. In my life I can think of many occasions and I want it to stay that way.. it is called learning with an open mind. On a higher level and directly related to the quote it could be suggested the GAOTU allows you the knowledge that the GAOTU considers you capable of understanding. For the people who thought the world was flat ...a flat world was true they didn't lie when they said it was. When man was ready a new truth was given the world was found to be round. and when people then said the world was round that was the new truth. Does that help If it does you can see the child for whom the truth is that the fairy doesn't exist, has grown in knowledge for the child for whom the Fairy is a truth... Now take that concept back to the other place and tink about it
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Truth
Nov 2, 2004 8:37:16 GMT
Post by whistler on Nov 2, 2004 8:37:16 GMT
To taylorman our postings crossed. What I try to show that genuine truth is a very temporary thing.
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Nov 2, 2004 8:43:36 GMT
Post by Agent J on Nov 2, 2004 8:43:36 GMT
The words of Billy Connolly spring to mind: "If someone believes in God, there is one"...mind you, it is a bit early and I haven't had my coffee yet
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Nov 2, 2004 8:45:26 GMT
Post by whistler on Nov 2, 2004 8:45:26 GMT
The words of Billy Connolly spring to mind: "If someone believes in God, there is one"...mind you, it is a bit early and I haven't had my coffee yet Good on you Agent J exactly
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Truth
Nov 2, 2004 20:15:36 GMT
Post by adder on Nov 2, 2004 20:15:36 GMT
The real trick is not to get too disillusioned when our cherished truths wither in the harsh glare of "reality," and to continue to strive.
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Truth
Nov 3, 2004 8:22:46 GMT
Post by Lewis on Nov 3, 2004 8:22:46 GMT
was there not a phrase used on a film "The truth is out there"
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Nov 4, 2004 22:09:27 GMT
Post by middlepillar on Nov 4, 2004 22:09:27 GMT
I never forget that 'The Victors write the history'. Therefore any truth as we know it is open to challenge, and yes Whistler the truth of today is not neccessary that of tomorrow.
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Truth
Nov 5, 2004 17:01:37 GMT
Post by MajorTom on Nov 5, 2004 17:01:37 GMT
Ah, the nature of truth. What is truth anyway? I submit a truth for debate in this august company: God is Everything. And so, with that submission, what will you do now you are God? And what of that wee, small dissenting voice? Deary me, aren't there things about oaths and such like? Initiation is available to those who want it. :laugh: The following remains my signature: "We are all free to do whatever we want to do...Isn't that a great way to run a Universe?" from Richard Bach's IllusionsI suppose I've been brought here to try to understand what it means to be a Mason.
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Nov 6, 2004 0:12:35 GMT
Post by middlepillar on Nov 6, 2004 0:12:35 GMT
[quote author=MajorTom God is Everything. This is the great truth. And so, with that submission, what will you do now you are God? Nothing, just continue the path of learning. I suppose I've been brought here to try to understand what it means to be a Mason. [/quote] So Major Tom are you a mason or are you thinking of joining?
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Truth
Nov 9, 2004 7:49:07 GMT
Post by whistler on Nov 9, 2004 7:49:07 GMT
I stole this from Hubert, on another Thread, But it belongs here as well
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Nov 9, 2004 21:38:36 GMT
Post by staffs on Nov 9, 2004 21:38:36 GMT
Whistler,I have read your posts on this thread and all i can say is
WOW mind blowing
Thanks for getting me thinking
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Jan 1, 2005 0:59:24 GMT
Post by hollandr on Jan 1, 2005 0:59:24 GMT
Folks
I see again we use a noun that is really about a process. For example we talk about communication as if it is an object that can be delivered when it is really a process - communing - meeting of minds.
The same with truth - it is not really a noun.
It is a process - checking that something is true with respect to something else. E.g. testing if an upright in a building is true.
So, is a statement true with regards to an observation or a belief?
Thereby we immediately escape the problem of absolute truth which requires the statement to be testably true to all observations.
True therefore is relative to what it is being tested against
That is my view but perhaps I will learn more in times to come
Best wishes
Russell Holland
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