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Post by symbol on Jan 1, 2005 8:57:32 GMT
Russell, thats quite something ti get my head around!!
The first Sirian initiation is taken (if it is taken) after the initiate has learned to control his or her mental structure. This corresponds symbolically to the post raising situation. I say symbolically because I have never observed it coinciding with a lodge working.
Whats a Sirian initiation? How does it lik with a raising?
On occasion I have seen a genuine initiation occur in the EA degree - not always a first earth initiation either. But this requires conscious brethren who work the inner ritual along with the outer.
What does this mean?
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Post by a on Jan 1, 2005 9:59:01 GMT
With every new light that begins to grow and shine humanity's evolution moves forward and I have read that when it reach's a critical mass the balance will be tipped towards total enlightenment, who knows if this is true it I would suggest that indeed it is true, and could well be closer than many realise. All that it would take is for each and every individual to open their hearts (which I realise is a big ALL).
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Post by a on Jan 1, 2005 10:01:08 GMT
Arguably it [Masonry] is best suited for those of us on the Sirius path - that is - intended to leave the solar system when achieving a certain level of initiation. How true.
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Post by hollandr on Jan 1, 2005 20:36:20 GMT
Symbol,
The first Sirian initiation is the admission into the Sirian lodge that manages (most) lodge work on this planet. Isis was/is our GL rep from Sirius - but not the only rep. She is the Widow from whom we claim bloodline descent. In some cases it is true.
More generally humans take the 3 earth initiations that are reasonably represented by our 3 lodge initiations. The intent is that eventually we will get ourselves organised so that the real initiations coincide with the lodge initiations. This sometimes happens with the first earth inititation.
I should note however that the charismatic churches are making a play for this as well. The corresponding ritual is declaring yourself for Jesus. I suspect that those churches get more coincidence of the inner and the outer than we do. They certainly handle much larger numbers.
The higher earth initiations are not really represented in Masonry. Idries Shah maintains that that is because Richard the Lionheart did not proceed past the initial Sufi degrees whilst on Crusade.
The first Sirian initiation may be taken shortly after the 3rd earth initiation. Like the earth initiations it may or may not occur in physical consciousness.
The new Sirian initiate may well receive "the usual token of regard" which can be seen as a small rod to be held out in front when wishing to represent the Sirian brotherhood.
>>On occasion I have seen a genuine initiation occur in the EA degree - not always a first earth initiation either. But this requires conscious brethren who work the inner ritual along with the outer.
>What does this mean?
Symbol, I am a bit perplexed to explain the above more clearly. Each officer works with particular energies that he or she directs by intent and visualisation. If they do not do this but are acceptable to the entities who work with us in lodge, then the entities may intervene and manage the energies flows - rather as we would hold the hand of a child needing to cross the road.
Of course if the lodge work is a mere formality then the above does not happen. This is unfortunately rather common. The usual strategy is to keep visiting lodges in hope of finding one that does the inner work too.
In my experience that is most common in Co-Masonic lodges but my GL forbids such fraternisation so I am unable to visit them now.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by symbol on Jan 1, 2005 23:21:22 GMT
boy is this way over MY head i ve missed out on so much i cant tell you. Ive never heard anying abut this at my lodge, why not? this is very interesting , wish i understood half of it, lol, but its what i thought i might hear about in masonry any more to come? Whare can i find out more?
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Post by Yoki on Jan 2, 2005 7:00:14 GMT
Quote- i ve missed out on so much i cant tell you. Ive never heard anying abut this at my lodge, why not?
No Symbol if you belong to a male only craft lodge there's nothing you have missed. What Russels writes about is Theosophical ,Co Masonic ,and encompasses some of Annie Besant work. I am assuming the above is Russels background.
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Post by symbol on Jan 2, 2005 8:21:22 GMT
thanks Yoki I was starting to wonder if i was a member of the same thing.
The new Sirian initiate may well receive "the usual token of regard" which can be seen as a small rod to be held out in front when wishing to represent the Sirian brotherhood.
Is this a physical token? Are you saying that there is a physical manisfestation.
he first Sirian initiation is the admission into the Sirian lodge that manages (most) lodge work on this planet. Isis was/is our GL rep from Sirius - but not the only rep. She is the Widow from whom we claim bloodline descent. In some cases it is true.
In some cases? Is this meaning that what is being said is not true,
Is this the content of co masonry?
Of course if the lodge work is a mere formality then the above does not happen. This is unfortunately rather common. The usual strategy is to keep visiting lodges in hope of finding one that does the inner work too.
How does one tell the difference?
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Post by hollandr on Jan 2, 2005 9:31:15 GMT
I do have some background in Alice Bailey and Co-Masonry.
But as you will perceive in my postings I generally distinguish between the things I am satisfied on and the things I have read.
I try to make each statement true at an energetic level. That is why I often qualify statements.
The usual token of regard is of course not dense physical (our level of dense body) but from higher levels of existence it is dense enough to be regarded as physical.
While those tokens are not common, most junior initiates will have acquired some magical instruments (sword, spear, trident, rod, wand) that are usually stored in the spine. Have a look and see what you can find.
Of course it is true that not all Masons are blood descendents of Isis, but that is what it means to claim being "sons of the Widow"
Detection of lodges doing real work requires sensitivity to energy. Technically this involves the dissolution of the etheric web that lies on sub-plane 7.4 - between the dense physical and the etheric body. Many people have dissolved or had dissolved that veil. It requires only a minor intervention. (subplane 7.4 is of course one of the steps on the so-called "jacobs ladder")
Cheers
Russell
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Post by a on Jan 2, 2005 10:04:14 GMT
Yoki
I have had this sort of discussion with UGLE Freemasons. It may not be part of their Craft, but it does exist, whether in some of the more advanced esoteric orders, or done outwith their Freemasonry.
All, especially those who believe this to be all fantasy.
This is one of those things that you are either ready for or your are not. But could I suggest that if you look at your own life closely enough, how it has developed over teh years, especially the more traumatic events, and how they have contributed to where you are today. You may well begin to see patterns which could help you understand this. And after you have done some work on yourself, have a look at your immediate family and your relationships with them, that can also be rather revealing.
Such work takes enormous courage and honesty, but if you can manage it there are real rewards to be had.
Just my profane opinion obviously.
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Jan 2, 2005 18:59:15 GMT
Like all things in life, we need to practice continually before a realisation occurs.
One aspect of Freemasonry I find most appealing is that ANY individual can come to it "in a state of darkness" and over the years have their ignorance enlightened. This is not expressed as a put down, mearly as an example of how all new ideas come to the real searcher.
First we are unaware, next a thought presents itself but with no reference/backing, then thru' our study it truth/or not becomes part of us.
Our greatest gift is to support ALL Brn. wherever they may be on the path, and not to destroy that which they seek. Just as there is room for male only or mixed masonry so should we assist all viewpoints.
This is what I see in the postings here above. To me it is not important to have to beleive all of the above as we progress thru' the Craft, learn to perform the ritual, it will all come naturally in our own time.
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Post by staffs on Jan 2, 2005 19:15:52 GMT
Hubert,you are probably right and as i progress through i will see it more.
On a differnt view maybe some people want to learn faster than others and are keen to progress at a quicker rate ??
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Jan 3, 2005 22:02:36 GMT
Yes, Staffs there are always people who are eager for Knowledge. That was my sentiments on an other thread regading "Pearls before the Swine". It is not that this is bad, but that without due teaching & understanding, some could harm themselves if not fully versed in correct proceedure. This occurs both in the mundane world and even more in the spiritual realms. If you open a TV set, whilst it is "live" great harm could result. Likewise to delve into things one is not properly prepared for could also cause unimaginable problems. One reason we consider the mental state of all applicants, befor balloting. We also beleive it considerate to require 12 months between side or higher degrees so that the energies and understanding can be fully integrated.
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Post by staffs on Jan 14, 2005 19:28:21 GMT
The Inner Light by John Milton He that has light within his own clear breast May sit i' the center, and enjoy clear day: But he that hides a dark soul and foul thoughts Benighted walks under the midday sun; Himself is his own dungeon
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Post by staffs on Jan 14, 2005 19:29:36 GMT
The only light of any real importance is, in my opinion, the light that shines from within. As within, so with-out. Leo this is going in the next lodge mag with accreditation
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Post by leonardo on Jan 14, 2005 19:42:41 GMT
Thank you Lee
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Post by atarnaris on Jan 23, 2005 10:14:03 GMT
More on to the importance of Light...
The Mystery of the Hellenic Alphabet.
by Ialyssos
An ancient prayer-invocation exists and has been functioning secretly in the Greek Alphabet since the time it was created. The sequence of the letters when they are fully pronounced (Alpha, Beta, Gamma etc.) has not at all been chosen at random, but there is a complete grammatical, structural and notional continuity of higher conception disguised behind it. According to the known articulation, the Greek letters (after adding the missing sixth letter Stigma or Digamma F not in use today) are heard and written as follows:
ALPHA – BETA – GAMMA – DELTA – EPSILON – STIGMA – ZETA – ETA – THETA – IOTA – KAPPA – LAMTHA – MI – NI – XI – OMIKRON –PI – RO – SIGMA – TAF – IPSILON – FI – HI – PSI – OMEGA.
By decoding this known structure , we come up with the following:
“AL FA , VI TA GA , (A)MA DE (E)L TA EPS ILON. ST(I) IGMA. ZI TA, I TA, THI TA IOTA KA PALAM DA . MI NYX I, O MIKRON, PYROS IGMA TAFI (E)PS ILON, FY PSYHI O MEGA”.
Then, after adding the matching conjunctions and verbs which are meant to be there and have been omitted, we witness the revelation of a wonderful cosmological prayer - invocation towards the source of Light:
“AL FA, VI TA GA!
AMA DE EL TA EPS ILON.
STI IGMA (INA) ZI TA,
I TA, THI TA IOTA
KATA PALLAN DA.
(INA) MI NYX I,
O MIKRON (ESTI),
PYROS (THE) IGMA,
TAFI EPS ILON,
FY(OI) PSYHI,
O MEGA (ESTI)”.
This invocation has been recorded for centuries in the subconscious of the Greeks.
Right afterwards we reveal the meaning of the words of this prayer :
Áë / Al = The conceivable Sun.
Öá-ïò / Fa-os = Light.
Âç / Vi = imperative of the verb âáßíù / veno ( = walk, come).
Ôá / Ta = dative of an article of Doric type, equivalent to ôç / ti ( = the), åéò ôçí / is tin ( = to the).
Ãá / Ga = Earth (Doric type).
Áìá / Ama = (adverb) at the same time.
Åë / El = The visible Sun, the Coming one.
Åø / Eps = (verb) Ýøïìáé / epsome, åø-çìÝíïò / eps-imenos( = baked).
Éëþí / Ilon = (noun) éëýò / ilis ( = slime, clay).
Óôç / Sti = imperative of the verb ßóôçìé / istimi ( = stand).
ºãìá / Igma = deposit , sediment , extract.
Æç / Zi = imperative of the verb æù / zo ( = live).
Ç / I = imperative of the verb åéìé / imi ( = be).
Èç / Thi = imperative of the verb èÝôù / theto ( = put).
Éþôá / Iota = ôá Éþãá / the Selves (see I in English).
ÐáëëÜí / Pallan = verb ðÜëëù / pallo ( = vibrate, rotate), adj. ðáëëÜò / pallas ( = vibrating, rotating) (see ÐáëëÜò ÁèçíÜ / Pallas Athena).
Äá / Da = another type of Ãá / Ga , Ãçò / Gis ( = of the Earth) (see Äá-ìÞôçñ / Da-meter > ÄçìÞôçñ / Demeter > MçôÝñá Ãç / Mother Earth).
Íõî / Nyx = (noun) night.
Ï / O = (relative pronoun) which, that.
Öý(ïé) / Fy(oi) = optative of the verb öýù / fio ( = germinate, sprout, develop).
Contemporary Rendering
Al, that you are the Light, come to Earth!
And you, El, send your rays on the slime
which is baking (being in a boiling state).
May it become a sediment (a land),
so that the Selves / Egos can live,
exist and stand on the vibrating Earth.
May the night which is the minor
not dominate and the essence of the fire
in the boiling slime not be in danger
of being buried (extinguished, extinct)
and let the Soul which is the major,
the most important of all, be developed!
The delivery of this invocation, in its archaic form, has a powerful vibrating effect on the conscious Men of Light, no matter which place on this planet they are in, because, above all, it is a mystic impact on the sacred seed of their Soul.
The text was translated in English by Maria Maragou.
The above demonstrates clearly that nothing in the ancient and wise world was done randomly and without an inner purpose.
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Post by a on Jan 23, 2005 11:47:18 GMT
The delivery of this invocation, in its archaic form, has a powerful vibrating effect on the conscious Men of Light, no matter which place on this planet they are in, because, above all, it is a mystic impact on the sacred seed of their Soul. Andrew Are you willing to speculate as to who these "conscious Men of Light" are?
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Post by atarnaris on Jan 23, 2005 13:56:13 GMT
Stewart,
Non-corporeal beings with a consiousness made up of non-visible to us energy (non-visible light).
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Post by staffs on Jan 23, 2005 15:37:01 GMT
Andrew,WOW.
I can see you are ready for your next order and you certainly look deeply into topics.
Enjoy your next step of your journey and i will follow it with much interest.
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Post by atarnaris on Jan 23, 2005 16:06:47 GMT
Andrew,WOW. I can see you are ready for your next order and you certainly look deeply into topics. Lee, Please do not attribute the above article to me. As you can see I have copied it from a web source.However, I wanted to share it with you guys on this thread about Light. However, me beleiving that Freemasonry is the evolution of the ancient Mysteries of not just one, but several cultures I am prepared to look into non-Hebrew/non-Egyptian sources for these mysteries. There is an abundance of wealth in Hellenic Mysteries which have been disregarded by scolars of other cultures, due to the focus being shifted to the wealth of the philosophy that originates from ancient Greece. My purpose for the next few years is to research (hopefully) those novel links between Hellas and Freemasonry. Wisdom can come from not one source, and true knowledge comes from the comparison of various cultures through their evolution in time.
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