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Post by whistler on Nov 10, 2004 17:42:12 GMT
Ring Pass Not will be familiar to some in its special esoteric meaning. It is also a delightful base line for all our individual understanding. My Personal Ring Pass Not, is the Creator If the Creator Created all what did he create it with, and who created him. I can't begin to understand that Hence my personal Ring Pass Not is at that point - everything within that ring I am happy to consider . Have others got their own Ring Pass Not.
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Post by ruffashlar on Nov 11, 2004 6:01:07 GMT
I thought the term "Ring-Pass-Not" was used in Wicca or Traditional Witchcraft to denote the sacred space within which celebratory and initiatory rites were conducted. As such it is directly analogous to the Magician's Circle as described in Salomonic Magic, especially in Conjuration. The Masonic Pavement Carpet, though square and not circular, functions for us as the defined space in which our work is accomplished. It is the Microcosm in which laparoscopic changes are wrought to moral fabric of the Macrocosm itself. Indeed, a Square is an angle of 90 degrees, or the fourth part of a circle, so the foursquare of the Carpet is simply another way of drawing a circle. Although I concede there is about as much evidence for a link between Witchcraft and the Craft as there is for an Egyptian Masonic origin, it is neverthess an appealing fiction which always seems to yeild convincing little snippets here and there. I liken it to the TV screen tuned to white noise which some use in Skrying. ;D
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Post by whistler on Nov 11, 2004 8:12:50 GMT
Ruff the Ring-Not- Pass, is part of the symbolism in some Masonic degrees - Perhaps a simple explaination is the Ring is the limit of mans understanding In the context I refered to you can be sure it is nothing to do with wicca
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Post by adder on Nov 11, 2004 10:40:03 GMT
In modern Wicca the five points are applied somewhat differently.
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Post by whistler on Nov 16, 2004 3:27:39 GMT
A Quote from Geoffrey Hodgson Ring- Pass-Not "The outermost edge of limits marked out by the Logos within which His system is to appear. Macrocosmically the presumed boundry within which is contained the consciousness of all beings evolving within the circumscribed field or area or space. Applies solely to states of consciousness, this signifies the circles or frontiers, great or small, to which realization and awareness are limited.."
Adder hows that for another explantion
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Post by adder on Nov 16, 2004 4:56:04 GMT
Adder hows that for another explantion Don't know why you are addressing that question to me.I haven't commented so far.(my above reference to the five points is facetious.Trust me)
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Post by whistler on Nov 16, 2004 5:40:02 GMT
Maybe Adder, But you are an interesting chap to share these little goodies with HGW
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Post by adder on Nov 16, 2004 5:48:23 GMT
Compare the symbolism(for such it is) of "Ring Pass Not" with the Kabbalistic concept of the three negative veils of existance.
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Post by hollandr on Jan 1, 2005 6:04:06 GMT
My conscious experience of ring-pass-nots is pretty limited but the following may be of interest.
At a personal level, I recall when I was first taught rising on the planes (Jabobs ladder) that I rose up through the emotional and mental levels quite easily. I could sit at a particular level and decide to go to a higher. As soon as I intended I could feel the brain change its formation to support the higher level.
But when I intended to go beyond the mental to the buddhic, absolutely nothing happpened. It was as though something stopped my system from even trying.
Some month or so later I was permitted to proceed.
So that could be regarded as a personal ring-pass-not.
The teaching of rising on the planes occurred in my meditation. Each day for a week I was taught something new. Rising on the planes was the first and I believe not accidentally so.
More recently I was seeking an explanation of something to do with the unfortunate situation of humanity. All my usual sources ran dead. They shrank away when I asked. That had never happened to me. Eventually I went a long way outside and was answered.
Arguably this was a form of ring-pass-not where these beings were not permitted to discuss the experiment of which the human race is the centre. In my view I had to go beyond those involved in the experiment before I could get an answer.
So there are two ring-pass-nots or reasonable analogs.
The more conventional ring-pass-not relates to the periphery of planetary operation. I have seen no sign of that in 30 years of distant travels on a variety of planes. But that is not to say that it does not exist.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Yoki on Jan 1, 2005 20:58:28 GMT
I would suggest after reading what you have written Russell that the ring pass-not could be personal limitations. Now this is not a slight on you or your experiences but a observation that everyone works at a different and very personal level.What is possible for one is not possible for someone who has not evolved as far .In other words you pass-not, what you are not ready for. This would also be a safety feature protecting those who might be harmed
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Post by whistler on Jan 6, 2005 1:35:20 GMT
I would suggest after reading what you have written Russell that the ring pass-not could be personal limitations. Now this is not a slight on you or your experiences but a observation that everyone works at a different and very personal level.What is possible for one is not possible for someone who has not evolved as far .In other words you pass-not, what you are not ready for. This would also be a safety feature protecting those who might be harmed Yoki - Happy New Year I consider - Ring Pass-not is personal in a total view - as you in all your bodies learn so that ring moves further out
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Jan 6, 2005 2:32:05 GMT
Yoki & Whistler, and others, I have yet to study theissues of "Ring- Pass- Not" but your explanations are very sound. It brings to mind the very reason for "Our Society with Secrets". Just as we all individually have our limits, so too must we protect Cowans from the dangers of things they do not understand. The very reason the OG is one of the most important duties. It saddens me that when attendance is low this office is dispenced with, as esoterically, we NEED that protection.
Ruffashlar: There is indeed a lot in common with witchcraft and Masonry, however one became acceptable the other to be condemed! In todays' enlightenment they are both now more acceptable, and we should all strive to make it more so. There will always be detractors, for that is human nature, but WE decide how to deal with the issue. If we refuse to put negative energy out there, it cannot affect us!
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Post by staffs on Jan 6, 2005 20:25:54 GMT
What about the point within a circl from which no mason can err. ?
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Am i now out of my depth and way way off topic.
You Guys are sure deep thinkers.
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Post by whistler on Jan 6, 2005 21:02:56 GMT
The Ring Pass-not refers to personal knowledge
The point within the circle refers to Personal behaviour ;D
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Post by hollandr on Jan 7, 2005 2:18:38 GMT
A couple of comments:
Staffs:
The Point within the Circle is qabalistic and refers to Keter the highest sephira - the highest consciousness from which we cannot err.
There is also a Point within the Triangle and a Point within the Square.
All three are represented in HRA where the 3 Principals sit at the top of the Tree of Life in the geometry of the Chapter.
Hubert:
I recall a little old lady explaining to me that the OG's task is to keep off astral intruders. The same of course for the IG hence the need for a decent dagger - iron edge to damage astral entities.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by whistler on Feb 1, 2005 8:10:07 GMT
have just read then the thought of the student of the Archaic Wisdom is led to the "ring-pass-not" of a solar system, also referred to as a "rope of Angels
Has anybody heard of " a rope of Angels"
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