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Post by Stash on Nov 12, 2004 6:31:59 GMT
Alright, now, when reading about things esoteric, it's quite common to come across the Egyptian, Mithraic and Eleusinian mysteries and their possible connections to alot of higher degrees BUT, odinic mysteries on the other hand, until today, I haven't come across.
Now, what I DO know:
->Odin was a supreme god of the Scandinavians ->Odin's latin quotes are common all over ther internet, especially on maonic quotes sites. ->Much of the symbology of the odinic mysteries involved the ash tree Yggdrasil (which I have a picture of here, it can be thought of as a tracing board almost)
Now, what i DONT know:
->If the quotes Odin is the same as the god Odin ->What connection this has to masonic lore ->Any more about the symbols and virtues involved
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Post by whistler on Nov 12, 2004 17:22:09 GMT
Stash, I Like it yet another subject I am in Darkness about. Enlightened Bro who know pease shine your light in this direction
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Post by atarnaris on Nov 14, 2004 16:17:53 GMT
Isn't Odin just a replacement name for Zeus etc but for the Nordic people? Do they not represent the same Deity/Concept?
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Post by whistler on Nov 14, 2004 17:55:06 GMT
Isn't Odin just a replacement name for Zeus etc but for the Nordic people? Do they not represent the same Deity/Concept? Wonder If... Did Odin in Nordic Land develop in isolation from Zeus in his home land.... or the Nordic folk meet a greek, and decide they wanted those Gods for themselves but couldn't pronounce Zeus.
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Post by Stash on Nov 19, 2004 4:39:05 GMT
Found this other piece called "Scandinavian Mysteries" that seem very related to Odin as well...
"SCANDINAVIAN MYSTERIES: These rites were introduced into the north of Europe, near the beginning of the Christian era, by Sigge, a Sythian priest and chieftain, who is known in the Northern mythology by the name of Odin.The principal feature of the initiation seems to have been a modified form of the Isianic rite. Balder was slain by Loke, with a branch of mistletoe, and the initiation represented a search for his body. The myth preserved in the "ANcient Edda," which describes the descent of Odin into the regions of Hela, seeking for his murdered son, conveys a very clear idea of the ceremony. The candidate meets with difficulties and troubles of the most appaling kind, but finally reaches the palace "roofed with golden shields," which resounds with songs of triumph. Balder, physically, represents the sun, and morally, the truth, and Loke is a symbol of winter, and also of evil. Thus here, again, is seen an attempt to illustrate the everlasting conflict between Truth and Error, Good and Evil, in which, after divers defeats, Truth and Goodness gain the empire of the universe."
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Post by ruffashlar on Nov 19, 2004 6:55:41 GMT
That is a pseudo-rationalisation of Norse myth. It is still floundering in the essentially racist assumption that primitive people must have nicked their myths from other, more civilised folks. In the days when Classical culture was considered the benchmark, it seemed obvious that the Scandinavians had got their myth-cycle from a Hellenic source. After the rise of ethnic Germanic nationalism, pale scholars started accusing the Greeks of the same cultural piracy but in the other direction.
The real story is, of course, that Greek and Norse myth come from a common source. We know that the Greeks themselves believed they came from the North, from the Pandaean realm of Arcadia. Comparative linguistic examination discovers many points of concurrence between Germanic and Attic - both are Indo-European. The myths share many similar themes: the same two-tier divine hierarchy of Olympian/Asgard gods and Chthonic/Loki-fathered, demonlike gods; the story of rebellious giants; the capacity of a hero to transcend mortality and become a god himself.
Any person referring to himself on the Internet as Odin has no relationship to the Norse Odin himself. Neither has Odin any specifically Masonic importance. Be aware also that there is a Nazi-loving cult of racist idiots calling itself Odinism, which is basically Paganism without the bit about openminded tolerance.
As an aside, Odin was known in Britain as Wotan, which is linked to the verb "witen", to know (hence, wise, wisdom), and also as Grim (which meant exactly what it sounds like) because of his reputedly fearsome, one-eyed appearance. Consequently, the placenames Widnes, Wednesbury, Grimsby and Grimsdyke are named after him.
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Post by ruffashlar on Nov 19, 2004 6:56:21 GMT
Sorry, that should have been Grimslesbian.
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Post by adder on Nov 19, 2004 7:05:11 GMT
Sorry, that should have been Grimslesbian. Nice to know that if we veer to far into the realms of wichcraft and occultism the forum has a spellchecker.(sorry)
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Post by roberthlamar on Dec 17, 2004 20:37:14 GMT
1 - Alright, now, when reading about things esoteric, it's quite common to come across the Egyptian, Mithraic and Eleusinian mysteries and their possible connections to alot of higher degrees BUT, odinic mysteries on the other hand, until today, I haven't come across?
R : As you all know and all have read J. M. Ragon Tuileur General of Freemasonry, you know very well that the is a Knigth of Scandinavia Ritual and Degree in Freemasonry, this degree and Ritual is still today preserved and practiced in the Ancient and Primitive Rite, as the 34th degree of the Masonic scale. And yes the Odinic misteries are explained. And by the way is not the only one that transmits the Odinic or nordic misteries the degree of the Knight of the Mistic City also expands on the Odinic misteries.
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Post by leonardo on Dec 17, 2004 22:07:20 GMT
Esoteric Freemasonry is a little too far beyond my level of comprehension at this moment in time. But I do certainly have open mind. I do not discount something just because I do not understand it. In fact, if somebody would be willing to recommend a book, a good one at that, I'd be more than happy to try and track it down on the Internet. That is the wonderful thing above our mental capacity -there are no limits as to what it can contain or, in time, understand. Just my opinion, no basis in fact. At least, not that I am immediately aware of.
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Post by roberthlamar on Dec 17, 2004 22:16:18 GMT
You should start as a begining with the Treaty of the Reintegration of the Created Beens in their primitive properties by Martines de Pascuales, if you read that book then we can give you the and show you and open you the path, no charge.
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Post by leonardo on Dec 17, 2004 22:37:40 GMT
Thank you Robert. I shall endeavour to do just that, but remember, if I am successful I shall hold you to your promise
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Dec 19, 2004 0:43:11 GMT
Every culture has its origins, folklore and mysteries. and I for one see similarities in each when investigating such. I also beleive in synchronicity, or the "Hundredth Monkey Principal", so for me to see similarities in all the various spiritual concepts is quite natural. For me part of our masonic endeavours is to connect with this wealth of allegorical teaching and improve ourselves by its teachings.
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Post by hollandr on Jan 1, 2005 1:42:00 GMT
I think it is worth looking at the work of Zechariah Sitchin. In one of his middle books he does a reasonable job of demonstrating from ancient records that there was only one set of gods and they had different but related names in each region.
Best wishes
Russell Holland
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