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Post by hollandr on Feb 11, 2005 10:24:01 GMT
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One other thing - travel or projection is possible on all the planes.
I don't know how you figure I do it on the astral. The astral is commonly regarded as prone to delusion. For example it is easy to get things inverted like a reflection in a lake.
Glamour (away with the fairies - literally) is common on the astral.
Mental projection can have the problem of illusion if the projector is unable to control all the frequencies being experienced.
I merely point out the looseness of the common parlance "astral projection".
The spiritual scientist is much more specific about the plane and subplane(s) of projection. Otherwise the experience is not easily reproducible by fellow scientists.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by bevan on Feb 11, 2005 10:30:56 GMT
As far as Truth goes, I think we can learn something from Masonry. There we use a plumbline or a level to check trueness relative to our instrument. There is no sense of absolute trueness - it is always relative. Perhaps Truth is not a proper word but a reification of a process. I agree. I don't think we can separate our beliefs about reality from the reality that we experience i.e. our beliefs about reality form it. It is almost impossible to begin with the concept of ourselves at the mercy of our past and end up with any acceptable theory of a universal soul or godhead that is anything more than a glorified personified concept of what we think we are. Freemasonry, like many other "expressions" of spirituality, may help us in this regard to expand our bodymind and soul and thus help in our own personal self-discovery.
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Feb 11, 2005 22:59:44 GMT
To me the "Akashic Record" is more akin to our body cells. these cells retain a "memory" of all that has passed. Some even suggest our "genes" in the form of DNA etc is all knowing from the memory stored therewithin over the many previous relatives we are seeded from.
As I propose that we are all fragments of the entity we name GOD, it is only natural to acknowledge that we can tap into HIS cells/genes. QED
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Post by hollandr on Feb 12, 2005 20:40:31 GMT
Hubert
There is certainly a correspondence in the human body to the concept of the akashic record. For example, the bones and the teeth carry memories. This was in part demonstrated recently when a study showed that people who had lost all their teeth performed worse on memory tests that those with teeth.
I expect there is a cellular function also.
But that does not deal with the role of the Lords of Karma.
How do they manage karma.
I propose that all mental acts, for example, exist in the body of the lord of the mental plane, named Agni in the hindu tradition.
In workshops I have often shown the Lord Agni to people by having them connect to the mental plane of the earth and look for the ensouling intelligences.
THis is a useful experiment for Masonic scientists. Anyone willing to try it and report?
So I think that there are higher correspondences (mechanisms) to those you propose for the human body
Cheers
Russell
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Post by hollandr on Feb 12, 2005 20:45:56 GMT
Hubert
Looks like your duplication of the post got me to reply twice.
Anyway the second reply may be more useful
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Feb 12, 2005 21:33:41 GMT
Russell, Thanx for your reply. When I used the example of the human body, cells etc, I meant that as metaphore.
Some time back on this forum I mentioned my view of "GOD".
Briefly I am of the opinion that we ALL are particles of GOD in a way that each of our cells has an atom made of a neucleus & electrons - I see me as one of the electrons of GOD. EG Christchurch or New zealand could be HIS kidney! These are only examples not specific correlations as yet.
Now this, as you point out correctly, is only on the "physical" realm there are obviously similar correspondences on the etheric, lower mental, higher mental, atmic, buddhic & manas realms. My termonology is a bit rusty at present, it's some time since I read "The first principles of theosophy" by Jinaradadassa.
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Post by hollandr on Feb 12, 2005 23:12:27 GMT
Hubert
If we accept the Gaia hypothesis that the Earth is alive - that is the Earth Mother is real.
Then the other planets must be alive also. (7 sacred planets = 7 Masons who make a lodge perfect)
And if the planets are alive presumably the Sun is also.
Then we have the solar system as the body of the Heavenly Father.
In Egyptian tradition the Sun is the physical eye of Ra. That seems to be the same concept.
So what organ is the Earth in the body of the Heavenly Father?
And what organ in the Earth is the Human Race?
and the Heavenly Father is one of 7 Brothers revolving around a Central Sun.
The sum of the 7 solar systems and the central sun presumably is the body of the Heavenly Grandfather.
Who then is the Heavenly Grandmother? This is a serious (not sirius) question. Does anyone know? Has anyone met her?
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Feb 13, 2005 9:39:52 GMT
A hell of a lot of food for thought there Russell. Which certainly fits into my understanding of this thing we call GOD.
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Post by whistler on Feb 13, 2005 18:44:09 GMT
Russell, The expression I use in my posts Like astral travel aksahic records , are just simple words, intended to give people ideas of natural concepts, in a way that can be understood. The words used and subject description an open Forum, are quite different to those used with a class of students. The differents way you could visit Egypt are many, it is just important that people understand that you can. Likewise Akashic records, some students do see them as books in a library- that is fine the fact that they understand that the detail about themselves is contained somewhere in the Universal consiousness is great.. Where abouts in the comsos our emotions are, will always be a subject if different views. Gateways yes some see them as the conduit between dimensions - but there are also other ways of passing between dimensions. I find when working on an etheric level, emotions like glamour, beauty Joy, sadness don't exist. I don't compare The earth etc to the human body and parental relations I consider to do so creates a Man made vision of things that do not have man made form. The mental journey of discovery is endless, even the Mars concept intereting to wonder about where the Martians came from before mars.. Russell I always enjoy your posts Keep them coming HGW Whistler
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Post by giovanni on Mar 16, 2005 10:29:51 GMT
For Hubert: "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy".
Once we formed the Union chain. We were very concentrated. When it was broken, I felt a shake, an electrical shake.
The susequent day a Brother had to go to the hospital: his kidney stones had "misteriously" been destroyed.
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Mar 17, 2005 6:40:45 GMT
That's the beauty of life, Giovanni, there are so many things to discover.
I feel that if one can express a new idea today it becomes reality tommorrow, tho' for some of these expressions a considerable time is required.
Fascinating that in over 5000 years of so called "thinking man" we only discover powered flight arround 1905 and by 1969 have flown to the moon!
Even modern medicine has a long way to go, and many of the "old wives tales" of yore now seem to have substance - take accupuncture & authobionomy.
THE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS FORUM IS THAT IT OPENS MINDS.
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Post by staffs on Mar 17, 2005 8:34:05 GMT
Hubert,how right you are about opening minds.
Rusell asked me tio do an experiment in a dark room closing my eyes and looking for the light.
WoW !!!
certainly saw my mind open
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Post by a on Mar 17, 2005 9:27:32 GMT
Staffs
It sounds like you may beginning to realise that the distinction between exoteric and esoteric is but one of how far you have travelled along a particular path. It is far more than an acedemic novelty.
If I could offer a few words of advice, take your time, time to believe, time to accept, time to realise the implications. And in time it will all become so much more illuminating. All of the answers to all of your questions really are to be found within yourself, though coming to "know yourself" is not an easy journey.
Oh and another suggestion, join the SRIA when you can.
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Post by bod on Mar 17, 2005 20:13:41 GMT
Can't remember who it was, but someone once said:
"The mind is like a parachute. It works best when it is open.'
Stewart - this is really starting to worry me - either you or I are mellowing....I find myself agreeing with you more and more!
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Post by staffs on Mar 17, 2005 22:50:44 GMT
i know i am uneducated unlike some here so i done a google search on exoteric
and ;http://www.kheper.net/topics/exoteric.html and there i found this sentence :
Two of the most potent memetic fruits of Exoteric Consciousness are Science and Religion.
AAh ...the hidden mysteries of nature and science possibly. NOW things are starting to click
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Post by ruffashlar on Mar 18, 2005 1:36:17 GMT
The mind is like a parachute. It works best when it is open.
Yes, but it's also like a pair of trousers: if yours are open when everyone else has theirs closed, it can only bring resentment from them and embarassment to you.
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Post by Thegnostic on Mar 23, 2005 15:07:05 GMT
Hi Ruff, You wrote; The mind is like a parachute. It works best when it is open.Yes, but it's also like a pair of trousers: if yours are open when everyone else has theirs closed, it can only bring resentment from them and embarassment to you. You forget Ruff it also alludes to how the parachute is packed <LOL> Gnostic "You don`t know what you can`t know till you know you can`t... Prof Stephen Hawkings.....
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Post by ruffashlar on Mar 23, 2005 15:19:50 GMT
Yes, and if you'd seen the size of my posing pouch, you'd think of parachutes, too. ;D
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