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Post by whistler on Feb 6, 2005 19:13:53 GMT
Russell, You mention DK and Alice Bailey, These Freemasons www.grandlodgeaum.org/DP.htm have a lot of the teachings - are you a member of AUM?
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Post by ruffashlar on Feb 6, 2005 23:09:22 GMT
I'd no idea Alice Bailey sang with the Dead Kennedys.
Makes sense though.
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Post by hollandr on Feb 7, 2005 9:44:07 GMT
Whistler
the received version is that AAB ran a private lodge and on her death passed the furnishings etc to Keith Bailey her nephew.
When I met Keith about 10 years ago he was struggling to write a second degree ritual.
I was not sure he had what it took to run a GL and moved on.
My limited contact with those involved locally with AUM does not lead me to try again.
But AUM may be better where you are.
There was a classic case of sectarianism in Co-Masonry (LDH) over this. Co-M brethren were not allowed to belong to AUM as well. So many quit, particularly in the US I was told - maybe half.
When will brethren on the square learn to tolerate diversity? It as not as if any of the lodges I have seen are particularly proficient in the ritual.
Actually somewhere DK (the Master speaking to AAB) says that it is just as well Masons do not operate their ritual effectively. The implication is that the brethren would be unable to handle the results.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Feb 8, 2005 5:34:06 GMT
Russell,
Part of the problem with AUM in NZ was that they were attempting to "poach" CoM members over to AUM, and principally the newer/younger ones. The powers that be thought that it was difficult enough learning one ritual/lodge workings without doing the same in an other Order, so they asked those concerned to make a choice.
Naturally a split occured, just the same as when 6 contries broke away from LDH to form the Eastern Order of International CoFreeMasonry.
I attended a lecture, by an Englishman, purporting to be setting up AUM thruout the world. He was part of an AAB symposium here in Ch'ch a couple of years back, but he concentrated so much on "AAB speak" that I feel he lost most of the audience. As far as promoting a Freemasonic Body little was to be achieved by his lecture.
He did however indivcate that AUM was into public lectures on ALL of the Freemasonic rituals and Ideals which to me was a prostitution of our high obligations, so did not feel inclined to pursue it further. They also wanted a lot of money for this & to set up new Lodges!
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 17, 2011 11:02:22 GMT
The Baileys intrusive interest in Freemasonry arises from their notion of it being one of three main channels preparing us for a new age (EH, p.511).
However, while we define Freemasonry as, “A peculiar system of morality, veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols,” Foster Bailey regards it as, “A system of symbols” (SM, p.27). The distinction is made clear with him deeming morality as one of Masonry’s insufficient ‘rewards’ (SM, p.82) and he was dismissive of those Masons, “occupied entirely with its ethical implications” (SM, p.81).
This amoral attitude is particularly apparent when we consider the anti-Semitic changes the Baileys wished to impose on Freemasonry. Foster Bailey stated: “Masonry with its Jewish names and historical incidents, has come into serious disrepute” (SM, p.37). Alice Bailey concurred, stating: “This Jewish colouring is today one of the main hindrances to the full expression of Masonic intention and should be changed” (RI, p.418). She went on to say: “Its present form, resting as it does on a Jewish foundation which is nearly five thousand years old, must disappear... the ancient usages and forms consistent and right in the Jewish dispensation, are now obsolete and should be abrogated” (RI, pp.533/4).
Alice Bailey wrote a chapter entitled, “The Jewish Problem” (SR, pp.393/401); She asserted that “The major racial problem has... been the Jewish” (EH, p.194); alleged that one of only two major streams of negative energy flows from the Jews (EH, pp, 71/4); claimed that, “Today the Jewish people are engineering trouble” (EH, p.634); and declared “The Jews need humility more than any other nation” (RI, p.706).
According to Alice Bailey, Jews are spiritually unlike any other extant life-forms and even more alien to us than hypothetical extra-terrestrials, being the remnants of a previous universe who failed to qualify for the next evolutionary stage and were therefore held over to this universe (EH, pp.76/78). Mrs. Bailey insisted of this super extra-ordinary libel: “It is simply a fact to be accepted by you” (ibid.). However, in a forward attributed to her Tibetan Master and repeated in several books, s/he concluded, “There can be no insistence for the acceptance of any statement, beyond what the reader can personally confirm, otherwise, ‘let not the student accept what is said’” (e.g., RI, p.vi). This student certainly does not accept what they have to say.
EH = The Externalisation of the Hierarchy, by Alice Bailey RI = The Rays and the Initiations, by Alice Bailey SM = The Spirit of Masonry, by Foster Bailey SR = A Treatise on the Seven Rays, Vol. 1, by Alice Bailey[/quote]
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 17, 2011 11:07:47 GMT
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 17, 2011 11:11:39 GMT
Actually somewhere DK (the Master speaking to AAB) says that it is just as well Masons do not operate their ritual effectively. The claim that The Baileys' channeled 'Tibetan Master' Djwhal Khul (DK) leaves me so cold I'm frosty. On one hand, we find Alice's work with D.K. began around the time she met Foster Bailey; she moved into a closer relationship with D.K. around the time she and Foster married; and, when she died, Foster became the mouth-piece for D.K.!? On the other hand, we find that for a 'Master of the Wisdom,' D.K. was surprisingly anti-Semitic: Speaking often of the obsolete 'Jewish Dispensation;' referring to their stereotypical materialism; denying the holocaust; and attributing much of the evil in the world to them.
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 17, 2011 11:15:32 GMT
There was a classic case of sectarianism in Co-Masonry (LDH) over this. Co-M brethren were not allowed to belong to AUM as well.
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Post by maat on Jun 30, 2011 5:09:07 GMT
The claim that The Baileys' channeled 'Tibetan Master' Djwhal Khul (DK) leaves me so cold I'm frosty. Still up to your old tricks Tamrin. For someone so frosty you sure get fired up on this topic. You were doing this years ago when you held office at the TS. Would love a peak at your previous life or two
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Post by middlepillar on Jun 30, 2011 8:52:58 GMT
I have knowledge of how this thread developed elsewhere and I am not going to allow this one to deteriorate the same way.
Therefore as Tamrin has posted his links and made his views known I will now lock it.
I will ad I do not have an opinion on this however there are 2 sides that have very opposing views and while debate is good the way this thread unfolded elsewhere is not what we want on this Forum
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