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Post by whistler on May 4, 2005 8:41:56 GMT
This is a question for those who attend Male only Lodges, I have detected from postings there are quite a few who are aware of other dimensions, and are probably claivoyant to some degree. You will be well aware of the view of some Co-masons regarding etheric happenings in their Lodge. I am sure that similar but different goings on, takes place in Male Craft Lodge meetings My question for those who understand such things, what have you felt, how do you feel, do you have an etheric/ esoteric understanding for what happens, have you ever deliberately tuned in to observe more clearly what is going on?
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Post by staffs on May 4, 2005 18:08:04 GMT
Whistler,i have already told you what happened to me and what i felt during my Third and the rings episode at my first.
But yes definitely at times you can feel the energy.
Now i expect Taylorsman,Middlepillar and Atanaris being in SRIA can tell a few more tales.
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Post by whistler on May 4, 2005 19:40:21 GMT
Yes Staffs I do well remember. What I am seeking with this question is "Things" specifiic to the Ceremony rather than the personal as we discussed before.
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Post by hollandr on May 5, 2005 0:36:36 GMT
Yes Staffs I do well remember. What I am seeking with this question is "Things" specifiic to the Ceremony rather than the personal as we discussed before. whistler I have not been in a male lodge long but the other day we were doing an initiation and by the third circuit of the lodge there was a definite energy running that the secretary also felt. Then since our lodge has some peculiarities in its ritual that it preserves from its founding in 1918, the deacons proceeded anti-clockwise (shortest route from their stations) to the altar for the obligation and the unhappiness of the energy beings was very apparent and the nice feeling in the lodge disappeared immediately. I am encouraging a review of the ritual but our lodge is now re-asserting its historical identity and I do not want to disturb that process. So I will have to wait on ritual improvement. Cheers Russell
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Post by whistler on May 5, 2005 2:15:54 GMT
Russell, Did you pick up anyone working with the officers?
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Post by hollandr on May 5, 2005 3:49:17 GMT
Whistler
There was no one that I saw working with the officers at the ritual although I dare say that something was going on.
The JD was the brother-in-law and the RWM was the father.
More generally it is clear that the lodge is being given attention by the HOATF as part of an impulse to re-invigorate or even renew Masonry. Hence the lodge impulse to recover its own identity.
I see attention also from Morya. After all we are next to Morayfield.
And we are on the edge of a large landscape temple that is attracting the 7 Masons who make a lodge sacred (logoi of the 7 sacred planets).
And we have a phoenix in place brooding on the landscape temple as on a nest. It has been seen by several people independently. One woman even brought a photo of a large "eagle" shadow on one of the sacred volcanic plugs before she was told of the phoenix.
And if you look you may see a phoenix using the solar system as a nest - part of a process by which the Solar Logos graduates to a higher level project with his 6 brothers around the Central Sun.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by taylorsman on May 5, 2005 4:27:13 GMT
My experiences of anything which felt in any way Etherial in a Lodge have for the most part occurred in the Higher Degrees. Entry into KTs, the Appendent Orders in RCC, becoming a KTP, the Black Room in Rose Croix , and of course Royal Order of Scotland are the ones which come to my mind. I would also say that OSM is imbued for me with a great feeling of Peace.
As regards Craft my own Initiation in the Main Temple at Brighton had a great effect although I feel that this was owing to the ambience of that particularly lovely Temple and my own feeling of having achieved an ambition I had held since my teens about 20 years previously. In some Temples I have felt the same almost Ecclesial feeling , Clerkenwell, some of the Temples in FMH and MMH, Caversham, have the same ambience, but I can also think of one Masonic Center which totally lacks this feeling and has all the appeal of a school assembly hall and most of the Meetings are as pedestrian as a Residents Association AGM on a wet Tuesday evening in January. I try to avoid attending Meetings there these days.
I feel that the location can have a lot of influence on the subjects perceptions of the Ceremony and perhaps on extraneous involvements.
I have however as previously mentioned had the feeling that the spirits of past Brethren of my London Lodge have been present when the Minutes of 100 years ago are read but this could be more of an emotional factor.
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Post by Yoki on May 5, 2005 4:59:33 GMT
I have a question although it is not a occurrence in a male craft lodge , it is along the lines of what is under discussion here. I have mentioned on an other thread that we have a few E A initiations lined up with the first been conducted the month before last. As Junior Deacon it fulls to me to do much of the talking ,which I have no problem with but after the first initiation I badly brook a tooth and developed a large cold sore something that has not occurred for years. As a Co Mason I understand that I am working with unseen energy and since this is the first time I have ever done this work ,wonder if that coursed these things to happen. Even if it did I am quite happy to conduct the next two as this is a way of learning to handle these energies. I am interested in what others think but am pretty sure that I am not to far of the mark.
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Post by whistler on May 5, 2005 19:08:13 GMT
Taylorsman & Staffs we are really talking about more than one dimension here. In any one place there is a constant movement of spiritual beings. One level will be where you find Relatives, old men, and general atmosphere. The other level is the Spiritual beings that are specific to or ceremonies, The RWM in the opening words envoke / call on those beings to assist . There are etheric deva's for each office and work very hard with us as we perform our ceremonies. Reposting this from another thread " The Deva representative of the RWM, is a highly developed and very capable, and the moment that he arrives with his cohort of assistant Deva's and elementals he takes full charge of the whole of the proceedings .........Immediately after the RWM acting in the name of T.G.A.o.T.U declares the lodge duly open and all the lights are turned fully on. It is not only the physical light that leaps forth at this moment, for as the RWM says the opening words his Deva represenative also lifts his staff and all the seven groups of assastant spirits, which until now have been seen even by clairvoyant sight as merely luminois clouds, flash out into their full brilliancy. At once each group is connected by a line of living light with the physical official over whom it hovers, and through this line it's force It is this area I was wondering in regard to male craft Masonry YOKI - I am sorry there are just simple mundane reasons for your plight, re your tooth it's time had come and you bit a little hard on something, for your cold sore - well that is a virus that comes and goes. It is very easy to look around for some esoteric reason for nasty things that happen - Esoterically look how well you did the Ceremony.
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Post by staffs on May 5, 2005 19:11:32 GMT
We invoke the assistance of TGAOTU before the opening.
Not quite the same.?........ is it ?
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Post by whistler on May 5, 2005 19:52:16 GMT
Certainly we invoke T.G.A.O.T.U. very specifically
We also call on the Devas of Masonic Light to work with us.
So an open Lodge is a very busy place at many different levels.
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Post by Yoki on May 5, 2005 21:00:49 GMT
Yes that is the more sensible approach Whistler but the coincidence has left me wondering's .
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Post by taylorsman on May 6, 2005 5:31:35 GMT
The problem in UGLE Craft Freemasonry is that many of the more Esoteric Factors have been purged out owing to the victory of the Moderns at the Union of 1815 and the work of the Duke of Sussex as first GM of UGLE. Thus the very atmosphere is not all that conducive to such experiences.
To my mind it's a bit like church buildings. Most of the modern ones do no more for me than a concert hall, Coventry Cathedral comes to mind as the worst example but there are others. I may as well be in a Shopping Mall or an Airport Terminal or even Birmingham New Street Station!. Contrast that with any of the old Cathedrals or those which whilst modern in their date of building are constructed to Traditional designs such as Guildford and the Anglican Cathedral in Liverpool or with old Style Churches of the Victorian and Edwardian Gothic Revival. In these Traditional Churches I find my mind focussed.
The Higher Degrees in Regular Freemasonry are far more Spiritual of course and in particular I would mention Rose Croix, KTs and associated Orders such as KTP and Acon, the Appendent Orders of RCC and of course Royal Order or Scotland.
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Post by a on May 6, 2005 6:19:52 GMT
Taylorsman
Do you think that the Moderns (he says conceptually nowadays) realise that money can't buy enlightenment? In fact money can be a distraction away from it. Still the light will always find a way.
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Post by taylorsman on May 6, 2005 10:18:29 GMT
I wouldn't say it was down to money but to the "Social Club" tendency.
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