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Post by hollandr on Aug 4, 2006 4:07:59 GMT
I have pondered the 3 ruffians - most atrocious fellowcraft. (In our lodge, FC tend not be atrocious, having been carefully screened before becoming apprentices.)
And recently found this text (abridged by me):
"Back in later Lemurian times, a group of men of high development, from the point of view of that time, and numbered among the then disciples of the world, took issue with the planetary Hierarchy, and broke away from the "law of the initiates." It was a time wherein the emphasis of the teaching was upon the material side of life, and where the focus of attention was upon the physical nature and its control. The Old Commentary expresses what happened in the following terms, and as you read the measured cadences of that ancient script, it would be wise to try and realize that the phrases are referring to that group of disciples who were the early founders of the present Jewish race:"
"The law went forth from the inner group which guided the destinies of men: Detach yourselves. Withdraw within yourselves the power to hold and gain and get. The sons of God, who train themselves to leave the world of men and enter into light, they ever travel free. They hold not what they have. Release yourselves, and enter through the gates of peace.
"Some of the sons of God, waiting outside those gates, ready to enter when the Word went forth to roll the gates aside, were laden with the treasure of the earth. They brought their gifts as offerings to the Lord of life, who needed not their gifts. They sought to enter through those gates, not with a selfish end in view, but to present the garnered treasures of the world, and thus shew their love.
"Again the Word went forth: Leave all behind and pass beyond the portal, laden with naught of earth. They waited and discussed. The rest of those who were prepared entered into light and passed between the pillars of the gate; they left behind the loads they brought and entered free, and were accepted, carrying naught.
"..........................But three revolted from that stern command. The rest obeyed. They passed within the gates, leaving the three outside. Many were raised unto the heights of joy. The three remained without the gates, holding their treasure firm."
"In this ancient writing, older than any of the written scriptures of the world, is to be found the secret of the Masonic story and of the slaying of the Master by the three most closely associated with Him in His death and burial. Masons will all recognize the three to whom I here refer. These three were the founders of the modern Jewish race. They were three advanced disciples who resented the command to enter, free and untrammeled, the place where light is to be found. They sought to hold that which they had gathered and to dedicate it to the service of God. Their unrecognized motive was love of riches and a desire to hold safe their gains."
Any commentary I might make would be superfluous
Cheers
Russell
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Post by maat on Aug 4, 2006 6:15:37 GMT
The three remained without the gates, holding their treasure firm Sound more like Scotsmen to me ;D Who founded the old Jewish race? Why is something so old founding something relatively new? This statement I find highly suspect to say the least. I reckon if you traced back most races you would find a whole heap of aggressive atrocious ruffians founding them.... of course in our history books they are called conquerors. Can't remember the details but I think the eastern version of the 3 ruffians is that it is the poorly circulating Ida/Pingala/Sushumna that keeps us tied to matter - just like old musty books keep us tied to the past.... Maat
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Post by staffs on Aug 4, 2006 6:25:34 GMT
Russell, this text is very interesting.
May we please know your source of this text ?
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Post by hollandr on Aug 4, 2006 7:31:57 GMT
Staffs This is Alice Bailey/DK. Welcome to the most profound source of Masonic interpretation laluni.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/psychology1/psyc1121.html>Who founded the old Jewish race? Why is something so old founding something relatively new? Maat, as you may recall from Blavatsky, there is a body of thought that the souls we identify as jews were in the first swarm of human souls formed for this planet - when our god was a god of intelligence (beauty) - hence the instinct that the jews conceal some ancient learning Now our god is a god of love (wisdom) and the human race is moving on into a new form (body) for the mysteries Cheers Russell
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Post by staffs on Aug 5, 2006 6:20:48 GMT
Thats what i like about our ritual in that you can find links to many different religions that seem to combine together into one.
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Post by ruffashlar on Aug 6, 2006 2:38:12 GMT
There is nothing to make the heart sink in the breast quite the equal of a text beginning: Back in later Lemurian times,...
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Post by jmd on Aug 8, 2006 23:50:42 GMT
Reading the opening post, my first thought was that this sounds so much like something Alice Bailey would present - and sure enough, my suspicion was confirmed. Thanks for giving the source, Russell - but I personally do not agree with your view that this is the 'most profound source of Masonic interpretation'. Rather, it is simply one amongst numerous TS-oriented views, on a par with, from my perspective, a different but similarly extreme Guénonian point of view.
Basically, what Bailey does - and does well - is to take the specifically Blavatskian world view and expand it to account for such things as Freemasonry in a manner that I personally suspect would not have been totally acceptable to Blavatsky herself. For example, I doubt that she would have considered the three murderous ruffians as the 'founders of the modern Jewish race'.
In fact, this passage only confirms my own far lower estimation of A. Bailey than Blavatsky.
Of course, this is misgiving is was also felt by others in the early TS - hence part of the reason for the split between the TS-Pasadena and the Bailey-led TS-Adyar, and the further later split with what became the Anthroposophical Society.
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Post by ruffashlar on Aug 9, 2006 0:07:26 GMT
I doubt that she would have considered the three murderous ruffians as the 'founders of the modern Jewish race'
As the UFO Hoax is to today's loonier Masonic fringe, thus was Race Theory to the madder movements in our Masonic past. Unlike the poor ufologists, these racists were completely in-step with their awful time.
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Post by hollandr on Aug 9, 2006 0:22:37 GMT
>but I personally do not agree with your view that this is the 'most profound source of Masonic interpretation'.
jmd
Of course you must have your own opinion.
But might I suggest you consider reading Initiation Human and Solar.
The parallels between the initiation of the human and the heavenly "man" are most interesting.
And arguably no other author has proceeded as far in the analysis of the processes of the GM of the Temple in the Heavens not Made with Hands.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by maat on Aug 22, 2006 4:47:57 GMT
Ignorance, superstition, and fear - are three ruffians To the mystic Christian Mason, CHiram. represents the Christ who in three days (degrees) raised the temple of His body from its earthly sepulchre. His three murderers were Cæsar's agent (the state), the Sanhedrin (the church), and the incited populace (the mob). Thus considered, CHiram becomes the higher nature of man and the murderers are ignorance, superstition, and fear. The indwelling Christ can give expression to Himself in this world only through man's thoughts, feelings, and actions. Right thinking, right feeling, and right action--these are three gates through which the Christ power passes into the material world, there to labour in the erection of the Temple of Universal Brotherhood. Ignorance, superstition, and fear are three ruffians through whose agencies the Spirit of Good is murdered and a false kingdom, controlled by wrong thinking, wrong feeling, and wrong action, established in its stead. In the material universe evil appears ever victorious. www.phoenixmasonry.org/secret_teachings_of_all_ages/hiramic_legend.htm
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Post by hollandr on Aug 22, 2006 5:27:46 GMT
Maat
Do you consider then that Masonry is inherently Christian?
What then of other cultures and religions?
cheers
Russell
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Post by maat on Aug 22, 2006 6:19:55 GMT
No. If you read the link you will also find the following.... "Sufficient similarity exists between the Masonic CHiram and the Kundalini of Hindu mysticism to warrant the assumption that CHiram may be considered a symbol also of the Spirit Fire moving through the sixth ventricle of the spinal column. The exact science of human regeneration is the Lost Key of Masonry, for when the Spirit Fire is lifted up through the thirty-three degrees, or segments of the spinal column, and enters into the domed chamber of the human skull, it finally passes into the pituitary body (Isis), where it invokes Ra (the pineal gland) and demands the Sacred Name. Operative Masonry, in the fullest meaning of that term, signifies the process by which the Eye of Horus is opened. E. A. Wallis Budge has noted that in some of the papyri illustrating the entrance of the souls of the dead into the judgment hall of Osiris the deceased person has a pine cone attached to the crown of his head. The Greek mystics also carried a symbolic staff, the upper end being in the form of a pine cone, which was called the thyrsus of Bacchus. In the human brain there is a tiny gland called the pineal body, which is the sacred eye of the ancients, and corresponds to the third eye of the Cyclops. Little is known concerning the function of the pineal body, which Descartes suggested (more wisely than he knew) might be the abode of the spirit of man. As its name signifies, the pineal gland is the sacred pine cone in man--the eye single, which cannot be opened until CHiram (the Spirit Fire) is raised through the sacred seals which are called the Seven Churches in Asia." That just about covers all bases... For those that are interested there is usually a colour associated with each chakra and there are seven chakras... There are seven angels in charge of the the Seven Churches of Asia... who are usually associated with specific colours... Ark Mariners may find this of interest. Maat
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Post by maat on Mar 28, 2007 0:32:44 GMT
"When the mob governs, man is ruled by ignorance; when the church governs, he is ruled by superstition; and when the state governs, he is ruled by fear. Before men can live together in harmony and understanding, ignorance must be transmuted into wisdom, superstition into an illumined faith, and fear into love." - Manley Hall
Ignorance, Superstition and Fear lay us low Wisdom, Faith and Love raise us up
Maat
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Post by 2 BOWL CAIN on Mar 29, 2007 11:59:27 GMT
I still like the notion that the 3 ruffians symbolize judaism, christianity and islam while hiram represents humanity as a whole, and these religions are murdering our free will. One could say that ignorance, superstition, and fear are the basis of the three main religions perpetrated upon mankind, and the use of fear and guilt to establish these religions is an affront on truth, which is supposedly one of the reasons for our travels.
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Post by beersheva on Mar 2, 2014 0:38:57 GMT
According to ancient astronomical legends from diverse cultures, the Sun is said to be progressively killed by the three months of Autumn to lie dead at the Winter Solstice. The legends tell us the following: Starting at the Autumnal Equinox, the summer Sun is first attacked by Libra but recovering from the shock he makes it through to the end of the constellation relatively unharmed. Next he is assaulted by the venomous Scorpio. He loses the majority of his power, and staggers faintly on and leaves this constellation considerably weakened. The third attack comes from the archer Sagittarius whose arrow proves fatal.
When he leaves the third autumnal sign he lies dead at the Winter solstice in Capricornus for three days from 21 to 24 December, ready to be reborn. According to the ancients, Capricornus was the house of the Planet Saturn, the Greek “Kronos” or Father Time, who destroys all things. The figure of Father Time with his scythe is still an emblem of death, sometimes called the Grim Reaper, and is also associated with the symbol of the hourglass. The Sun is considered to be reborn on the 25th of December and grows each day until it reaches the Spring or Vernal Equinox around the 21st of March. After the Vernal Equinox in Aries, the Sun is considered to be resurrected from its cold death, and the bounty of the earth returns. The days become warmer and grow longer, the flowers bloom, and the hope of plenty is renewed. As one Masonic Ritual puts it: “The blazing Star has reappeared in all its splendour, our altars are renewed, the truelight restored to our eyes, the clouds of darkness dispersed.” Following the Vernal Equinox in Aries, the Sun enters the Vernal constellations of Taurus and then Gemini during which time he revives in both light and heat but does not yet reach the full power of his adulthood. Where Taurus and Gemini failed in their attempt to lift the Sun to its full strength at the summit of the zodiac, Cancer succeeds with the aid of Leo who leads the Sun with his powerful lion’s paw(Regulus) to regain his full strength once more.
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Post by peter2 on Mar 2, 2014 0:52:50 GMT
>“The blazing Star has reappeared in all its splendour, our altars are renewed, the truelight restored to our eyes, the clouds of darkness dispersed.”
So how does the cubic stone fit into the astronomical interpretation?
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Post by beersheva on Mar 2, 2014 16:17:44 GMT
The cubic stone is man. Man interacts with the terrestrial globe and interfaces with the celestial globe.
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Post by beejay on Mar 2, 2014 22:00:25 GMT
The cubic stone, in some rituals gives forth blood and water (indicating Jesus), and later turns into the mystic rose, indicating the Rose of Sharon that appears in OT for the first time with the KJV.
Now in the effort to bend the meaning to a Christian context, the relationship between the stone and the rose has been inverted, in terms of the ancient mysteries.
But the stone that is blood red easily maps into alchemy.
How many threads can we find in the 18th? There still the matter of the 2 generals to resolve.
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Post by beersheva on Mar 2, 2014 23:37:23 GMT
Notice where the CUBE is: It represents the CORPUS or body of MAN on this Alchemical glyph. If you take a cube, as if it was a carton, and open it up, it will produce an equal-armed CROSS, also a symbol of MAN.
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Post by beejay on Mar 2, 2014 23:44:44 GMT
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