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Post by soror2 on Jan 8, 2006 11:15:53 GMT
One of the most controversial subjects of modern times is masonry. Naturally, any debate on this subject creates fierce disputes, divides people into sides pro, against and moderates. The democratic exercise has thought us to do such, for at least two hundred years, many of us not knowing one essential thing… Democracy, the freedom of affirmation of ideas, has become possible only after The French Revolution in 1789… And The Revolution is undeniably the work of masonry… The historical role of masonry is determinant, it assured everything we can call infrastructure. The components of Society would not work without this infrastructure. But… The folly state of fact in which lies the present Type of Culture, the society in general, has its roots, CAUSE, in the fact that the entire modern Masonic scaffolding is crooked and a bluff … it has is roots in the fact that the Masonic interests are other than human elevation through Initiation. What do you want us to tell you?
Seductive lies or
Cruel TruthThe Order Lux et Veritas wants to change the present state of fact. visit our website: www.lux-et-veritas.orgcontact us on our mirc channel #LuxEtVeritas or join our yahoo group: uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lux_Et_Veritas/
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Post by penfold on Jan 8, 2006 15:19:03 GMT
Soror - you are welcome to post a link to a page here, but please only post it once, and only in this section. I have deleted your other thread.
Now, what exactly is the Order all about 'cos your site doesn't make it very clear.
Thanks
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Post by soror2 on Jan 8, 2006 15:26:42 GMT
for more information and a direct conversation anyone is welcome to join the mirc channel #LuxEtVeritas, this would be prefered, or the yahoo group mentioned.
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Post by Siontific on Jan 8, 2006 15:53:28 GMT
It's a pity you don't answer the question soror2.
What is the incentive for anyone to join your newsgroup when your site is unclear and you refuse a simple explanation???
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Post by soror2 on Jan 8, 2006 16:19:58 GMT
I don't refuse an explanation. But i don't think an operative comunication can be made like this, I just proposed a better way to comunicate and explain ...that's why I mentioned the mirc channel. The Order proposes itself to reestablish the Original Initiatic Model, making a synthesis, extracting whats best of all the esoteric traditions existent until now.
Hope you have read all the pages on the web site: Main page, masonic history, statute of the order, Paradeigma-10 and essay.
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Post by giovanni on Jan 8, 2006 17:03:38 GMT
Soror,
maybe modern Freemasonry is facing a crisis. However I think that if man wants to ameliorate our Order, the struggle must be fought from inside: if we escape and create another Order, we add problem to problem, without solving any of them.
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Post by soror2 on Jan 8, 2006 18:12:58 GMT
The Masonic rites and rituals have lost their initiatic meaning. They are less focused on the ilumination of man and more on self intrests. Our Order proposes itself to pass the (false) masonic state of evolution. Masonic rituals no longer have their ancestral orientation. Many masons do not even understand the rituals. Since is official recognition (more than 200 years ago) Masonry has been somewhat profanated.
Why don't you think that it's necessary to create a new Order. We are not in competition with Masonry. We are just a door opened for those that are more intrested in illumination than their own social status.
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Post by whistler on Jan 8, 2006 18:37:38 GMT
I don't refuse an explanation. But i don't think an operative comunication can be made like this, I just proposed a better way to comunicate and explain ...that's why I mentioned the mirc channel. The Order proposes itself to reestablish the Original Initiatic Model, making a synthesis, extracting whats best of all the esoteric traditions existent until now. Hope you have read all the pages on the web site: Main page, masonic history, statute of the order, Paradeigma-10 and essay. WOW soror2, you are use bigger words than Ruff , how about a little translation of your posts so that thickies like myself for whom the word "Wheelbarrow", is the most complicated word I can understand, will have a clue about what you are saying
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Post by soror2 on Jan 8, 2006 18:47:55 GMT
I didn't mean to use big words , I'm not english nor american, I'm roumanian so probably my translation is "rough".
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Post by vadro on Jan 8, 2006 18:50:09 GMT
Soror2,
First off I don’t understand if you are a Mason or not, which I believe it is important to se the fundament of your statement.
In my opinion, Freemasonry is perhaps the only initiatory fraternity survived in the Western cultures as such, and saying that the Masonic rites and rituals have lost their initiatic meaning, is a bit general.
I am not arguing that you are in competition with Masonry, but my point is if you are a Mason and you think that our Order needs help, why don’t you help from inside? If you are not a Mason, why you allege that Freemasonry no longer has an initiatory meaning?
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Post by ingo on Jan 16, 2006 15:27:41 GMT
Most of the initiatic groups in the West derive from Freemasonry or Freemasons.... I wonder that after the foundation of TG and Anthr. Soc. and Wicca there is a need for much more foundations....
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