jmd
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Post by jmd on Nov 6, 2006 10:58:06 GMT
errr.... when you say 'national', to which nation do you refer?
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Post by Siontific on Nov 6, 2006 15:16:55 GMT
Looks like Minnesota, USA
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Post by gcoudert on Nov 6, 2006 19:31:13 GMT
It's what Masonry used to be! This should have been done a long time ago! Actually, it's what we DON'T want Freemasonry to be: you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Such sites only give ammunition to anti-Masons and reinforce the vision shared by the world at large that we only help one another. I think that site should be closed down and hope that this will never happen in England. S&F, Gilles
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Post by giovanni on Nov 6, 2006 19:57:35 GMT
In medio stat virtus, virtue lies in the middle.
If you are aware that a Bro. is in the need, true need, I mean, it's your moral duty to provide for some relief to the extent you are capable and you do not infringe any laws.
After all, Opus Dei will be doing the same: they do not limit their activity to the rosary, I can assure it. Though with all the hypocrisy of which they are capable: nisi causti, cauti; if you are not chaste, be at least cautious.
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Post by Bettendorf on Nov 11, 2006 2:18:23 GMT
Appears that site now has password protection!
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Post by Bettendorf on Nov 12, 2006 3:21:06 GMT
I wonder why? Is it because he is doing some needed work and updating, with not a whole lot of entries, or was he receiving enough scorn, maybe even from his GL, to prompt him to have a time-out.
I agree with this Brothers motives but not in the way he is doing it. Our Relief amongst ourselves should be between us only, unseen to the world, just as our Relief to the profane should be, unseen unto the world except to those who have received our assistance. And if we could still be unseen to those who have received our assistance, all the better! On the internet, it almost plays as a boasting device, where all can see.
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Post by jmd on Nov 12, 2006 4:11:25 GMT
If one bypasses the login-protection and uses the latest cached page, it should be noted that kalendar had added, in bold. the following (which I presume is still there):
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Post by ariel on Nov 12, 2006 6:18:36 GMT
Opus Dei: their reputation is tarnished by their actions. Does that mean FM has to follow their example when it comes to helping each other out of a tricky situations of their own making ? Sorry, I think FM should set an example. There has been so much bad press that it is time to keep let them think what they like. Let FM get on back to the path of "silence" ! Whatever is written about OD, its their problem not the FMs and to shout out the good that FM has/is doing invariably is taken to mean that something is going on ! In a Catch 22 situation, ignore the ignorant is the best policy.
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Post by staffs on Nov 12, 2006 10:04:34 GMT
Opus Dei: their reputation is tarnished by their actions. Does that mean FM has to follow their example when it comes to helping each other out of a tricky situations of their own making ? Sorry, I think FM should set an example. There has been so much bad press that it is time to keep let them think what they like. Let FM get on back to the path of "silence" ! Whatever is written about OD, its their problem not the FMs and to shout out the good that FM has/is doing invariably is taken to mean that something is going on ! In a Catch 22 situation, ignore the ignorant is the best policy. Ariel, if FM was to get back on the path of silence this forum would probably not be here in the first place.
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Post by staffs on Nov 12, 2006 10:14:49 GMT
If one bypasses the login-protection and uses the latest cached page, it should be noted that kalendar had added, in bold. the following (which I presume is still there): JMD : Your comments were noted and fully appreciated and this was a minor overlook and we missed to deleted in the first instance. This has now been duly removed and deleted as will other posts of this manner. Staffs
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Post by Bettendorf on Nov 12, 2006 15:56:59 GMT
Did I miss something, why exactly was his post deleted?
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Post by staffs on Nov 12, 2006 16:29:46 GMT
It was deleted because it was a link to a website that is for advertising for freemasons businesses and services . It is US based and divided into various states.
MFOL is not a commercial or profit making forum and it also gives the antis the impression that Freemasons look after their own in a business oriented manner.
We accept that the link was submitted with the best intentions and are respectful likewise but it goes against the MFOL policy and rules on commercial ventures using the forum as a link to such.
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Post by Bettendorf on Nov 12, 2006 16:39:04 GMT
We accept that the link was submitted with the best intentions and are respectful likewise but it goes against the MFOL policy and rules on commercial ventures using the forum as a link to such. Alright, thanks for clarifying. I figured it was a Forum Policy issue, but I wasnt sure as you left no explanation.
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Post by ariel on Nov 12, 2006 20:55:24 GMT
Dear staffs, I think that what we say on this Site has very little to do with knowing when to keep our mouths shut when it comes to anti-Masonic criticisms. The media have a field day with their speculations and downright ignorant views and that is why I said that it is best to keep silent with regards to helping brothers. Whatever good is seen to be done by FMs is invariably distorted and seen as bribery ! However, you are right about sites such as this one. But is anything discussed really secret ? There may be thosands of different sites around the world that allow for honest and open discussions, but silence as to what goes on in lodges and between Ms helping each other should be done in silence and privacy. Let the media carry on with their speculations and conpiracy theories....nothing can stop them in a free society.
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Post by Bettendorf on Nov 13, 2006 2:21:00 GMT
Is there any particular time in history when Freemasonry has been more "silent", except in the obvious times of persecution? We've always maintained silence when regarding our Mysteries, but the Portico of Freemasonry has always been known and never concealed, we've only gained more popularity and/or infamy.
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Post by jmd on Nov 13, 2006 3:11:26 GMT
It seems to me that anti-Masonry takes quite different forms in different parts of the world. In the USA, it appears that the strongest and most blatant anti-masonic statements from from religious bigots whereas, again in the way in which it appears here, in the UK the anti-masonic push appears to come from views that see Freemasonry as corruptive.
Fortunately, neither appears to be the case here, where it has a generally positive reflection in the community in general, save that it is seen as something that old men do when not playing with their balls (errr.... as in lawn bowls!).
Personally, I suspect that its removal was a localised (UK-based) reaction to its content. Though I did not agree with the merit of the site, I certainly did not have such a negative reaction to it - more a case that this seemed an unnecessary development that may give some individuals the wrong impression... nothing more.
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