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Post by Stash on Nov 22, 2004 5:14:20 GMT
Agla Ehje Jehovah Elohim El Gibbor Eloah Sabaoth Isebaoth Schaddai Adonai Makom
What I want to know is WHY?? Does this play some role because of the number 12 or anything else symbolical about them?? Or was it just the Kabbalistic way of recognizing those various names which were already in speculation.
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Post by whistler on Nov 22, 2004 5:35:52 GMT
Stash This is good stuff, Like you I await to be educated
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Post by ruffashlar on Nov 22, 2004 8:18:09 GMT
Only twelve? I'm sure there are more than that. Seventy-two, at least.
Most of them aren't really names, of course, they're just titles of various kinds.
Agla is an acronym of Atoh Gevurah Le' Olahm Adonai ("Thine is the power forever, O Lord").
Ehje (do you mean AHIH, or Eheieh?) means "I am" or "I become".
Jehovah is the Name itself, the Yod Heh Vahv Heh, believed to be a variation of Eheieh in meaning.
Elohim is a pre-monotheist survival ("the gods").
El is the ordinary word for a god or God himself, especially found in angelic or personal names, such as Azrael (help of God), Daniel (God has judged),etc.
Gibbor, as in Elohim Gibbor, "God is mighty"
Eloah means "feminine deity", El+[o]ah, the feminine termination; another pre-monotheist survival.
Sabaoth, as in Elohim Sabaoth, "God of Hosts". Isebaoth is its variant.
Schaddai, as in El Schaddai, "God Almighty"
Adonai is The Lord
Makom means "place", the spot where Jacob, later to be called Israel, spent the night; a place later called Bethel, "the house of God"
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Nov 22, 2004 8:59:55 GMT
The twelve tribes of Israel spring to mind.
Also in the initiation ceremony we have that figure predominant halfway thru' the steps to the E.
It is a figure easily divisible by 5 others.
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Post by Stash on Nov 25, 2004 1:16:13 GMT
This is somewhat related, but not 100%
Another idea explored through Kabbalah is the "12-letter name of God"
I don't have time to type the whole story up, but basically, it is YHWH expanded to YUD HEY VAV HEY (12-letters long)
YUD:[/u]Numerical value = 10, associated with EMANATION, represents "head of all creatures"
HEY:[/u]Numerical value = 5, means BEHOLD, appears twice in name of god
VAV:[/u]Numerical value = 6, called "the great connector"
If someone can help me along with making sense of it, I'd appreciate!!
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Post by Seeker on Nov 25, 2004 3:03:57 GMT
This is somewhat related, but not 100% Another idea explored through Kabbalah is the "12-letter name of God" I don't have time to type the whole story up, but basically, it is YHWH expanded to YUD HEY VAV HEY (12-letters long) YUD:[/u]Numerical value = 10, associated with EMANATION, represents "head of all creatures" HEY:[/u]Numerical value = 5, means BEHOLD, appears twice in name of god VAV:[/u]Numerical value = 6, called "the great connector" If someone can help me along with making sense of it, I'd appreciate!![/quote] Purely from your post Stash we have YUD HEY VAV HEYhead of all creatures BEHOLD the great connector BEHOLD"That fits in well with the way we use YUD HEY VAV HEY
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Post by hollandr on Jan 3, 2005 0:26:23 GMT
Stash
Leaving aside the jewish names (I doubt that the kabbalah or even the qabalah is really fundamental to the new dispensation) my understanding is that the number 12 derives its centrality for this solar system from:
- the existence of 7 subplanes and 5 electricities (7+5=12) within each of the planes (steps on Jacobs ladder) - the existence of 12 creative hierarchies that are the energy foundation of this solar system.
These two factors are actually one - the one being the body of the intelligence.
On the local level, 12 is the basic pattern of the planets of the solar system (pentagonal duodecahedron) and twice I have seen the sun with flat sides - being a duodecahedron - at summer solstice sunset in northern Scotland.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 3, 2005 14:33:21 GMT
Russell, what do you think about this? Notice that the last 5 Sephiroth 6 to 10 at the bottom of the diagram form the same shape as the main aspects of the Cross and the Figure thereon. Any comments, Russell or other students of the Esoteric and the Kabbala?
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Post by staffs on Jan 3, 2005 14:42:31 GMT
Steve,very interesting.
Can you do a favour please and copy the tree of life into a thread on kabbalah entitled Tree of life.
i asked if any one had a clear version of this previously so was wondering if you would not mind ??
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 3, 2005 14:53:09 GMT
will do!
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Post by hollandr on Jan 4, 2005 7:00:36 GMT
Taylorsman
The current geometric structure for the Tree of Life is not the original. The one commonly used before this was the jewish candlebra with curved arms and knobs along the arms.
You can draw the current form in 3D as well.
The form before the jewish can be found in sumerian diagrams of the tree of life - from memory there are diagonal cross hatchings and leaves at the outer edge.
I suspect therefore that in finding a cross you are discovering a geometric structure common to most arrangements that use straight lines and right angles.
While the kaballah is valid, I do not advise extensive study. For one thing, navigating the reality of the sephira is based on memorising images from past kabbalists and using those to cross-reference images that arise when rising on the planes. This does not lend itself, in my view, to a sufficiently objective process.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by atarnaris on Jan 9, 2005 14:01:59 GMT
Has anyone thought why the name of God in Hebrew is composed of Jod-Heh-Vav-Heh?
Is this a random choise, or is there a background to it?
Can anyone point out influences from other civilizations towards the formation of such a name? Can anyone envisage that such influences could have occured?
Do not forget that the Hebrews were at the times of Old Testament nomadic tribes which most likely have been influenced by the culture of other more advanced civilizations?
The study of language, etymology, and semantics can help tremendously in the understanding of how language and hence names are formed?
Why Jod? Why Heh? Why Vav? Why Heh?
Jod is the tenth Hebrew letter? What is the tenth letter in other languages in the surrounding areas of Middle east?
When memory is lost in the midst of time it is easy to make myths out of history, and fiction out of reality.
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Post by atarnaris on Jan 9, 2005 14:06:19 GMT
This is somewhat related, but not 100% Another idea explored through Kabbalah is the "12-letter name of God" I don't have time to type the whole story up, but basically, it is YHWH expanded to YUD HEY VAV HEY (12-letters long) YUD:[/u]Numerical value = 10, associated with EMANATION, represents "head of all creatures" HEY:[/u]Numerical value = 5, means BEHOLD, appears twice in name of god VAV:[/u]Numerical value = 6, called "the great connector" If someone can help me along with making sense of it, I'd appreciate!![/quote] Bro Stash, You are almost there for decoding it. Why 2 Hehs are used? Do not see things in a mystical/plhilosophical level but in a pragmatic level? Could they point out to the origins of the Word via nother Word of another language? Then in order to make it mysterious and inaccessible to the masses we cover it and twist its origins with all sorts of mystical meanings. Why a second Heh? Could it be that Jod-He and Vav-He are two different words coming together because of their true origins?
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Post by atarnaris on Jan 9, 2005 14:31:09 GMT
Taylorsman The current geometric structure for the Tree of Life is not the original. The one commonly used before this was the jewish candlebra with curved arms and knobs along the arms. You can draw the current form in 3D as well. The form before the jewish can be found in sumerian diagrams of the tree of life - from memory there are diagonal cross hatchings and leaves at the outer edge. Cheers Russell Bro Rusell, Please,please,please any links to the pictures you refer above. It is dead important for my studies
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Post by roberthlamar on Jan 9, 2005 14:44:50 GMT
The British Museum has several stones with the Sumerian tree of life and other stones with a lot of meaning and wisdom to those that have been initiated and can read the Arcanes of the past , as we speak the same language the language of symbols.
One last thought the Kabalistic Tradition is very important in the Masonic tradition in fact its fundamental to the sacred geometry.
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Post by hollandr on Jan 10, 2005 3:06:45 GMT
Andrew You may wish to read Dion Fortune "The Mystical Qabalah" - note spelling - not Kabbalah or Cabalah. The Q designates the esoteric form. The 3d form can be found in Frater Achad. Try this www.hermetic.com/browe-archive/achad/anatomy/anatomy1.htm Achad was OTO but I do not have any reason to question his qabalah. For the sumerian tree - I expect you can find pictures in Zechariah Sitchin - try his first - The 12th Planet - but you won't find any esoteric interpretation. Nevertheless he is attempting observation from first principles and you may find things that illumine HRA and Holy Blood, Holy Grail. Try this version of the sumerian tree www.ancientx.com/nm/anmviewer.asp?a=20&z=1The candlestick form reference escapes me by I would have thought many esoteric Jewish texts would refer. Robert - arguably the Tree is central to Masonry because the Jews had custody of the western mysteries and they liked the Tree and built it in regardless - see for example the signs of the zodiac forced into straight lines in HRA. Yet another example of GL compromising the ritual. That does not make the Tree central to us. Things in Masonry should be there according to their usefulness. The Tree is indeed useful but the esoteric techniques that go with it are outdated and suited best to live-in schools. But what I was actually intending to write about is IHVH - Yod Heh Vav Heh. Now I am not a qabalist so this may not be right, but: Yod by itself refers to Jah the god (Ea in Sumer) HVH is reasonably pronounced as HayVah - more usually rendered as Eve in English. So now we have IHVH as Jah-Eve - male plus female - sounds like a pairing. Could it be that the god Jah had a woman of his own? Well that is probably so - His female consort was Shekinah who remained after Ja left. Eventually after her departure she was mythologised as the presence of god. You may see some parallels in the covert femaleness of the Holy Spirit in Christianity - Father, Son and Mother - surely? And the Holy Spirit is always with us just like the Shekinah. What happened to Adam? (ADMH) Well he was had by Lilith - a female alien notorious for seducing human males - later protrayed as a demoness - presumably to avoid awkward questions about the morality of the Elohim. Fortunately I have heard of no morality problems with The Widow Isis. Cheers Russell
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Post by atarnaris on Jan 10, 2005 18:18:32 GMT
Bro Russell,
Thanx for all these. More studying on my way !
However...noone has answered my tease on the origins of Tetragrammaton. Come on chaps, think of ancient dieties whose names would start with Jod, or its equivalent to other languages.
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Post by staffs on Jan 25, 2005 16:17:17 GMT
This is thanks to a brother who gave this lecture.
The Hebrew word DABAR means wisdom, the Hebrew word OZ means strength and the Hebrew word GOMOR means beauty.
The Hebrews gave great significance not only to their words but also to the letters that formed them.
If we take the first letter of each of the former words we find that the Hebrew letter "D" in DABAR, corresponding to the fourth letter of the western alphabet, signifying the door of life. The representation of this in its original hieroglyph was probably typified by the Greeks as the opening of a tent.
The letter "O" from OZ corresponds with the fifteenth letter of the {western} alphabet and was called by the Hebrews and the Phoenicians "AYN” that is "eye" and was illustrated in the primitive form of the Phoenician letter as a rough picture of an eye or a circle with a dot in the centre. The Hebrew letter represents "O" and is the hieroglyph of a plant (one might conjecture a sprig of acacia, owing to its abundance in that area.) as well as at times, the circle of an eye.
The letter "G" in the Hebrew word GOMER corresponds to the 7th letter of {our western} alphabet and is associated with the third sacred name of God in Hebrew, "GHADOL" or in Latin, "magnus" or mighty.
If we take the words Wisdom, Strength and Beauty in Hebrew and use the first letter of each we have:
D = DABAR = Wisdom O = OZ = Strength G = Gomer = Beauty
If we look closely we can see how "masonry conceals her secrets from those not yet ready to receive them" for by reversing the order of the letters we find the name of the Supreme Architect of the Universe.
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Post by jmd on Mar 26, 2005 8:17:30 GMT
As mentioned much earlier in this thread, YHVH is etymologically connected the 'I AM', or, more accurately, 'being-ness'. There are some that have correlated the appelation with the ancient Egyptian similar epitath for Isis ('I am that which was, is, and will be'). Though not related to Freemasonry, I was once asked to write a brief paper on Kabalah, which I included in issue 22 of the Association for Tarot Studies's Newsletter. Therein I include a few versions of the Tree of Life (but not the more popular Kirchner version already linked).
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Post by ruffashlar on Mar 28, 2005 3:32:31 GMT
The commentary on the illustration "22_1.gif" gets it a little wrong -
This is quite illuminating, in that it points that one expands [...]and ‘travels’ outwards from centre to periphery in ever-more encompassing spheres of delimiting girdles of manifestation
The words at the outermost edge of the illustration say Ain Suf, indicating that the circumference is to be read as suggesting the infinite.
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