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Post by atarnaris on Dec 8, 2004 13:20:51 GMT
Does anyone see a relation between the Kabbalistic Tree of Life and the Chakras? this concept has popped to my mind and I want to investigate whether it makes sense.namely:
Kether relates to Pineal relates to Crown Chakra Binah & Chokmah-Pituitary-Brow (as pituitary is made of 2 lobes (anterior and posterior)anatomically, trust me I am a doctor!) Geburah and Chesed-Thyroid-Throat(thyroid has also 2 lobes,right and left) Tipharteh -Thymus-Heart Hod and Netzach-Adrenals-Base (again right and left adrenals) Yesod-Pancreas-Solar Plexus Malkuth-Gonads-Sacral
My only problem comes with this last association, as we humans have 2 gonads(testicles or ovaries). It can only be explained if we assume that we are talking about one reproductive area,namely the penis in male, and the vulva in the female.
What do you guys think?
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Post by middlepillar on Dec 9, 2004 14:54:07 GMT
Andrew
This is something I have never thought about! After doing a little bit of research on Chakras I can see where you are coming from (I think). And is certainly a subject I would like to hear opinions on.
An interesting concept, lets see where it goes!
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Post by atarnaris on Dec 9, 2004 15:42:10 GMT
Yesterday (8/12) I have been to the CMRC where invited lecturer was a Rabbi.The lecture was " Spiritual Development through Kabbalistic Astology". At the end I had a small chat with him, and mentioned my idea. He then said that his wife has done a paper on the above theme... Here's the link... cardinalpublishing.com/newks/index.htmlI guess I am tuned to the aether too much!!!
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Dec 10, 2004 3:50:39 GMT
One suggestion I would posit is that the Lowest Chakra being the seat of the tree encompases all that develops or has its being in the material world. The female ovaries produce alternately. I have not studied the male gonads - do they secrete collectively or alternately? Whereas the higher organs secrete independantly (anterior & posterior pituritary have different functions I beleive). You have raised some very interesting points which might just encourage me to check some of the above out, thanx, Hubert
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Post by staffs on Dec 16, 2004 6:36:18 GMT
Does anyone have a link to the Tree of life that can be put here ??
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 3, 2005 14:55:36 GMT
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Post by hollandr on Jan 4, 2005 7:03:17 GMT
The Tree of Life maps on to the human body by backing into it with Kether above the head.
The Tree also can be used to identify the sites of major chakras on islands and continents.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by atarnaris on Jan 6, 2005 11:53:53 GMT
Dear all,
I am quite excited as now that I am back I have verified my intuitive thought that the Tree of Life refers to no God, but merely to the endocrine glands (referred as Chackras in the Vedas) and their interactions.
The mysteries are solved!
I am now preparing a paper with references to medical journals that explain all paths of the Tree of Life not in a theological context, but only in a medical/biological one.
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Post by atarnaris on Jan 6, 2005 11:55:58 GMT
The Tree also can be used to identify the sites of major chakras on islands and continents. Cheers Russell I agree Ruseell, see my post above. But what do you mean by "on islands and continents"?
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Post by atarnaris on Jan 6, 2005 11:58:48 GMT
One suggestion I would posit is that the Lowest Chakra being the seat of the tree encompases all that develops or has its being in the material world. The female ovaries produce alternately. I have not studied the male gonads - do they secrete collectively or alternately? Bro Hubert, The male gonads secrete all the time, non-stop !!! I guess that would explain some of man's behaviour
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Post by hollandr on Jan 7, 2005 4:04:23 GMT
>I agree Ruseell, see my post above. But what do you mean by "on islands and continents"?
Well the Tree of Life in the geometric form most commonly used is a pattern that applies to many entities not just humans.
For example, it is possible to apply the ToL to the island of Iona and the Tree marks out the major energy points on the island. That is actually how I was first shown this. And the places frequented by humans are all on the lower part of the Tree. But the places used by St Columba are on the higher part of the Tree.
With Australia you need to use 2 Trees - one middle pillar runs from Sydney (Yesod) to Mt Ord (northern WA) and the other middle pillar runs from Perth to Cairns. Funnily enough people in both Perth and Cairns occasionally start a campaign to secede from the rest of Australia.
One tree faces into the earth and the other into the heavens.
If you look at a map of Australia you can almost see it is made from 2 parallelograms.
Again the higher parts of the Trees are less populous presumably being harder to relate too.
The two middle pillars cross at Uluru - funny that.
In both Aust trees Keter and Malkuth are in the ocean. But the Malkuth from Papua New Guinea is on the land of Australia at very strange spot.
The Tree for New Zealand is found by rotating the north and south islands around Cook Strait so that they overlay. That Tree used to face down into the earth but when the Queen visited about 1989 it progressively detached - one sephira at a time as the Queen went to each anchor spot. The Tree then turned over to face up into the heavens.
I would expect that since then New Zealanders have become more interested in the rest of the world. Hubert, is that true?
When you try to do this on a map you have to allow for energy following the lines of least resistance. For example, Tipharet on the eastern Aust Tree is at Broken Hill - attracted by a large ore body. This can be tested on site as I have done. But the geometry is distorted somewhat by the attraction. The rest of the 2 Trees have only minor distortions.
And of course the cities coinciding with the sephira demonstrate the typical qualities of those sephira.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 7, 2005 4:39:39 GMT
Russell, I assume the TOL can be mapped onto Great Britain as you have done with Australia? If so I would be very interested in your observations in this regard.
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Post by whistler on Jan 7, 2005 5:25:38 GMT
Russell, I really enjoy your posts... thank you I have little understanding of the "Tree" "The Tree for New Zealand is found by rotating the north and south islands around Cook Strait so that they overlay. That Tree used to face down into the earth but when the Queen visited about 1989 it progressively detached - one sephira at a time as the Queen went to each anchor spot. The Tree then turned over to face up into the heavens."
How do we determine that the tree changed in 1989 Thanks
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Post by hollandr on Jan 7, 2005 5:36:07 GMT
For Britain, I have not seen it. In my experience it takes months of meditation to identify the way the Tree maps. NZ took that long any way.
In the case of the NZ tree turning over - for better or worse I was a day or two ahead of the Queen at most sephira so was able to compare the before and after.
But it all needs to be reinvestigated
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Yoki on Jan 10, 2005 0:51:04 GMT
I would like to know Russel how does the Queen fit into this picture obversely she is the figure head of nations and the descendent of a ancient and royal blood line .In olden times monarchs were thought to heal both by touching and being touched and ofcourse she underwent rites at her coronation which may or may not have set energies in monition. But when all is said and done her line descended from those who were able through strength and marriage to climb to the top of the social pile and are and were normal humans with all the foibles we have. So how and why does she qualify as a metaphysical agent who has in effect alter what can be seen as a Meriden system. Don't get me wrong this is a interesting theory ,but what gives it credence?
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Post by hollandr on Jan 10, 2005 3:29:54 GMT
Yoki
Well I am not seeking to justify the role of the Queen and Duke in the reversing the Tree of Life in New Zealand. I am merely reporting what I saw take place progressively - sephiroth by sephiroth over the course of a week as I travelled around basically the same route.
But I might say in defence of the Queen that other people observed her use of power - e.g. the inner flows at the making of Charles prince of wales and also that the Westminster ceremony for her 25th anniversary (as I recall). The ceremony managed to coincide exactly with an astrological event and the flow of spiritual power over the TV was enough to make my hair stand.
Living in Australia I regularly used to dream of meeting various of the royal family as did my wife - most of the meeting involved drinking sherry. But before I went to Britain in 1987, in my dream I spoke to the Queen and she referred to my work.
So perhaps it was a dual act when the Tree was turned for NZ in 1989.
Why do we think people have only their physical bodies? People have bodies on all the planes.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Yoki on Jan 10, 2005 21:39:14 GMT
Russell thankyou for the information ,as I wrote it is a interesting theory.
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Post by John216au on Mar 4, 2005 13:34:37 GMT
Dear and all, Greetings. "The Tree of Life" of 34 Paths features in "Mysteries of the Kabbalah" my Marc-Alain Quaknin. Would dearly appreciate any comment. Thanks in anticipation. Kind regards, John G. Priede.
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Post by ricardo on Mar 25, 2005 18:28:06 GMT
Dear and all, Greetings. "The Tree of Life" of 34 Paths features in "Mysteries of the Kabbalah" my Marc-Alain Quaknin. Would dearly appreciate any comment. Thanks in anticipation. Kind regards, John G. Priede. Might this be derived from the Greek Kabalah, which is said to have 10 spheres and 24 paths? See more at www.crcsite.org/GreekKabala1.htm et seq.. The article mentions that the Greek alphabet has 24 letters (as opposed to the Hebrew with 22 letters). We have 26 letters in our alphabet these days - perhaps a Tree of Life used by those speaking English should thus have 26 paths + 10 = 36 ?!! Richard
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Post by plewis66 on Mar 30, 2005 11:15:48 GMT
In response to the original post, I'm personally not too sure there is such a direct correspondence between the Tree of Life and the Chakra system. Firstly, the Chakras are emphatically not the endocrine glands. Some correspondence has been drawn between them, as you point out, but this is a modern artifice, and does not exist in the original Tantras. Neither do I, personally, think that the symbolic attributes of the sephiroth and the equivalent chakras actually agree too well without some fairly serious leveraging. Even if there was close agreement between the two systems, this could not be used to draw the conclusion that the tree is not about God, as the Chakra system is also about God. It may not be as obvious, and certainly many modern treatings of the chakras make a big deal of it having nothing to do with god. But in fact, in the Tantras, they certainly are. To get a good understanding of the Chakra system, I would recommend reading something like 'Kundalini Tantra' by Swami Satyananda. That's kind of the equivalent of reading Halevi. www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/8185787158/103-4943939-9258246?v=glance
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