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Post by corab on May 30, 2005 16:23:58 GMT
... I cannot but think there is a direct link between the Sephiroth (the 3 Supernals and the 7 Lower Sephiroth) and the 3 Lights and the 7 Officers making a perfect Lodge.
How big an influence is the QBL on Freemasonry? I'm reading Wilmshurst's "Meaning of Masonry", and although he never once mentions the QBL, the references are there for all to see, in particular when he refers to the 3 pillars of Beauty, Strength and Wisdom.
Cora
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Post by hollandr on May 31, 2005 1:01:05 GMT
... I cannot but think there is a direct link between the Sephiroth (the 3 Supernals and the 7 Lower Sephiroth) and the 3 Lights and the 7 Officers making a perfect Lodge. Cora Good thought Cora And try the link between the 7 spirits before the throne of god, the spirits (logoi) of the 7 sacred planets and the 7 masons who make a (any?) lodge perfect. Have a look at "The Spirit of Masonry" by Foster Bailey. Probably the most authorative - at least for the first 70 pages - after that it is Foster himself. Cheers Russell
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 1, 2005 0:54:12 GMT
Doubtless the Kabbalistic elaboration can be made to fit, because all denary systems tend to resemble each other. But if it does fit, meaningfully I mean, it was probably originally sourced from Pythagoras' Tetractys, that numerical progression from origin unto infinity which was considered to be the type whereby the world's creation proliferated:-
.........1 ......2....3 ...4....5....6 7....8....9....10
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Post by corab on Jun 1, 2005 18:59:47 GMT
Hi Ruff, Doubtless the Kabbalistic elaboration can be made to fit, because all denary systems tend to resemble each other. But if it does fit, meaningfully I mean, it was probably originally sourced from Pythagoras' Tetractys, that numerical progression from origin unto infinity which was considered to be the type whereby the world's creation proliferated:- .........1 ......2....3 ...4....5....6 7....8....9....10 Wow, that looks fascinating - can you tell us some more about this? Cora
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 2, 2005 19:12:40 GMT
Ermm, well... The numerical tetractys codified, for the ancient mind, the order in which the parts of the universe were created, from the simple to the complex. Look at this page for some more details - www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/math5.geometry/unit3/unit3.htmlThe tetractys also describes one Kabbalistic theory for the generation of the Name of God, which in the King James Version of the Bible is rendered Jehovah, but is in devout Jewish tradition spelled out letter by letter as Yod Heh Vahv Heh:- .........Y ......Y....H ...Y....H....V Y....H....V....H The initial Yod is understood as the essential energy of God, self-creating in the moment of cosmic origin. Yod means Hand or Finger, bringing to mind what may be a survival of an earlier solar-phallic world-creation myth. Yod and Heh spell the old combinative form of God's Name, the yah in Hallelujah ("Praise God!"). In Christian Cabala, the addition of a fourth letter (Shin = "tooth", or a triangular tongue of flame) between Heh and Vahv gives us Yehoshuah, or Jesus .............Y ..........Y....H .......Y....H....Sh ...Y....H....Sh...V Y....H....Sh...V....H As the base register and right (=Hebrew left) outside diagonal both read the same, this makes the entire figure an acrostic. Hope this helps, or at least doesn't entirely confuse.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 2, 2005 23:07:27 GMT
Ruff
I also find it interesting that of IHVH the yod is sufficient for naming the god and the HVH give us hevah or Eve.
So the IHVH is male and female.
Is this alien Jehovah and his female consort Shekinah?
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 2, 2005 23:09:45 GMT
Well spotted.
Though what's alien about him and the Missus, I don't know.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 3, 2005 1:55:00 GMT
Though what's alien about him and the Missus, I don't know. Well if you prefer (and it may be more correct) then the humanoid Jehovah with the technology suitable for overcoming the enemies of the jews, may well have come from a more advanced earth civilisation. By tradition that civilisation was in the Atlantic. This may more satisfactory than invoking aliens. Of course we still have a problem with the very long lifespan of the god of Abraham's fathers. But if the advanced civilisation were advanced enough then the lifespan of Noah (about 900 years from memory) might be seen by them as very brief. Cheers Russell
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 6, 2005 6:54:14 GMT
Well if you prefer then the humanoid Jehovah with the technology suitable for overcoming the [blah de blah de blah] civilisation was in the Atlantic.
Ah-ah, Russell. What are you doing?
You're talking bollocks again, aren't you?!
And we promised the nice man we weren't going to talk about aliens and Atlanteans ever again, or the not very nice men in the white coats would pay us a visit.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 6, 2005 10:25:54 GMT
Ruff
Tell me then, did Jehovah ever exist in physical form thereby needing daily offerings of food delivered outside the door of his house/tent?
If so, where did he come from?
How was he able to empower the jews in slaughtering vast numbers of pre-existing inhabitants of various lands?
Or perhaps it is all metaphorical and none of it really happened.
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 6, 2005 18:42:34 GMT
Tell me then, did Jehovah ever exist in physical form thereby needing daily offerings of food delivered outside the door of his house/tent?No, Russell. you seem a little unclear on the concept. Jehovah is the local Hebrew name for God. In ancient times people used to leave libations and sacrifices to gods as if they needed food and attention like a person. Sort of protection racket kind of thing: you eat my food in return for not kicking my head in. Somebody tell him.
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Post by sid on Jun 6, 2005 19:01:20 GMT
Or: .........1 ......1....2 ...1....2....3 1....2....3....4 Regards, Sid Doubtless the Kabbalistic elaboration can be made to fit, because all denary systems tend to resemble each other. But if it does fit, meaningfully I mean, it was probably originally sourced from Pythagoras' Tetractys, that numerical progression from origin unto infinity which was considered to be the type whereby the world's creation proliferated:- .........1 ......2....3 ...4....5....6 7....8....9....10
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Post by hollandr on Jun 8, 2005 4:00:22 GMT
Ruff
So when St Paul advises against eating the food offered to (but not consumed by) other lords and other gods (2 distinct categories) he is speaking of metaphorical gods?
"1 Corinthians 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) . "
The fundamentalist interpretation is that other lords and other gods are jointly the love of money. But they do not explain why people would sacrifice food to the love of money.
What do you think about St Paul apparently saying that there are gods on earth?
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 8, 2005 18:56:08 GMT
What do you think about St Paul apparently saying that there are gods on earth?
He obviously thought - as many in the Old Testament clearly did, too - that the gods of other religions also really did exist, although he may have rationalised them into demiurges and archons of a Hellenistic and proto-Gnostic philosophy.
Trust me, they had very anthropomorphic ideas about God and gods in the ancient world. That is why Jehovah needs a house, and a big one because Jehovah is a big lad, as well as tables loaded with shewbread and lots of well-cooked sacrifices, to feed his big tum.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 9, 2005 0:25:30 GMT
Ruff
One of the great things about speculation is that we do not need to refer to accounts from those who claim to have been eye witnesses.
And even if they were eye witnesses they would have been unreliable being followers of the gods in question.
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 9, 2005 4:15:55 GMT
One of the great things about speculation is that we do not need to refer to accounts from those who claim to have been eye witnesses.
Especially useful when discussing whether ancient alien holidaymakers wore Hawaiian shirts or just went commando.
And even if they were eye witnesses they would have been unreliable being followers of the gods in question.
Whereas those who make things up as they go along are so much more reliable.
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Post by sid on Jun 13, 2005 13:02:55 GMT
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 13, 2005 19:53:38 GMT
And the little figure of the girl standing right at the bottom of the picture? Well, I know it's probably meant to be Princess Antonia, but I can't help feeling it's actually Dorothy. And there beside her is Toto. Dorothy has to pass across a field of soporific roses on her way to the palace of the Wizard. The temple has two turned ramshorn pillars: the Hebrew word for goat is Oz. Upon gaining the interior, she has to rend a veil in order to discover the Wizard's true nature. The woman on the moon's crescent could be the good Witch of the North, who tells her how to return home, by placing her h...s in the f... of a s..... and repeating the motto NUSQUAM SICUT DOMO. This is prefigured in the temple cupola, as the architectural feature called a dome gets its name from the Duomo in Florence, the Domus Dei or home of God. They shouldn't let me out by myself ;D
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Post by hollandr on Jun 13, 2005 22:29:32 GMT
Ruff
>They shouldn't let me out by myself
Are you ever really alone in there?
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 14, 2005 13:04:16 GMT
I wouldn't start flinging flans, Mary-Anne.
You've got Isis, Osiris and a chorusline of high-kicking Atlanteans with sunbed tanlines to keep you company.
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