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Nov 2, 2006 17:20:39 GMT
Post by nickma on Nov 2, 2006 17:20:39 GMT
Hello all, I just want to toss my 2 cents on on this topic. the LBRP is one of the first things a student does in their development of proper ritual magick. It helps you focus your engeries, thoughts and visualizations for later work. There is nothing evil, wrong or scary in this ritual. If you screw it up your not going to get haunted, posessed or conjure up a little white bunny that will chop the heads off your men. I look at some of the caution of these posts and they are understandable if you never have done any of this stuff. It's just a tool in a ritualists toolbox. it's usually good to perform it once or maybe twice a day and when you get more "attuned" you will notice nice results and they could vary from individual. Someone mentioned that they are uncomforable with the names because they don't know what they mean. Here's a decent reference. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_Banishing_Ritual_of_the_Pentagram-Nick
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Nov 2, 2006 18:43:10 GMT
Post by Bettendorf on Nov 2, 2006 18:43:10 GMT
The Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram can be scarey if youve never had an angelic entity show themselves to you before. The first time I evoked them and demanded them to appear to me in a tangible form, and they did, I was very excited and happy for the affirmation of success and honor I received by them showing themselves to me, I was still anxious as to what they could or might do to me. I had nothing to fear, in each quarter I turned to, I offered prayers to each Arch-Angel and offered a mutual relationship of service and help, I did this in each quarter and each time they lifted my arms outstretched like a cross and revealed forms of there faces to me in masses of blue energies and the energy emanated from each was so intense it literally forced my head back to where I was looking directly towards the ceiling, my body trembling. Then each mass of blue energy integrated with my physical form. For some reason or another I turned to Raphael's quarter for a second time, and this time he revealed himself to me in a white robe!
Prior to these offerings and affirmations from each of them, directly after I formed the Qabalistic cross for the second time at the end of the ritual, I dropped both my arms down, but then my right arm, holding my dagger in my right hand lifted by the guidance of one of them or all of them together, or by some other etheric energy, I dont know, but it guided me around in circumambulation 3 times with my dagger pointed out re-fortifying my magick circle.
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Nov 2, 2006 19:00:23 GMT
Post by matt on Nov 2, 2006 19:00:23 GMT
I offered prayers to each Arch-Angel and offered a mutual relationship of service and help, I did this in each quarter Interesting experience Scot. It is indeed exilarating when you first notice your work taking affect. The archangels are my best friends! They've done so much for me even over the last week. However, I feel I should point out that we are not under any obligation to service or help the archangel. I highly suggest NEVER to make deals with entities you encounter. We are the master and we tell them what to do. Never strike a deal. we evoked them. The fact that they came to us means they are our servants and MUST do what we tell them to. The archangels of the LBRP do not pose a threat to us, but its not a good habit to get into at all.
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LBRP
Nov 2, 2006 22:14:31 GMT
Post by hollandr on Nov 2, 2006 22:14:31 GMT
>We are the master
As parent I often came when my child called.
Cheers
Russell
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LBRP
Nov 2, 2006 23:06:14 GMT
Post by codywarren93 on Nov 2, 2006 23:06:14 GMT
Well, one thing about Magick is that there is certainly no one school of thought which has a monopoly over efficacy! I realize that as much as anyone. That being said, I will share my opinions based on my own personal studies. One of the first things I learned was that you needn't 'believe' anything to do Magick. Do certain things, and certain results follow. The LBRP (and indeed any invoking or evoking rite) works due to the laws of cause and effect. Angels have no choice whether or not to appear. If the ritual is done properly, they appear, period. Even if the aspirant is too inexperienced to 'see' them, they are there. They must follow the laws of nature. Also, it is my opinion that Man is the premier creation of God, with all else, including Angels, subordinate to us. You do certain things, apply certain symbols, say certain words of power, the Angels have no power whatsoever to disobey. All this is of course considering that before ANY magickal act, you have invoked the highest. For as the Mason is told: "No man should ever undertake any great or important undertaking without first invoking the blessing of God." It is invocation of the Highest Deity which makes it all possible. "Invoke often."
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Nov 3, 2006 23:46:46 GMT
Post by codywarren93 on Nov 3, 2006 23:46:46 GMT
I highly suggest NEVER to make deals with entities you encounter. I agree, and to expand on my last post, there is the psychological side of this to think about. Every spirit we work with represents a particular part of our own psyche. When doing Magick, you are sending forth your Will. When you instruct a spirit to work for you, you are instructing your own mind to work for you to complete that Will. If you begin to 'bargain' with the spirit, you are bargaining with, and therefore compromising your own Will. You are defeating your own purpose. Don't restrict your will! Exceed! Exceed! "The word is sin is restriction."
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Nov 4, 2006 10:42:49 GMT
Post by hollandr on Nov 4, 2006 10:42:49 GMT
>Every spirit we work with represents a particular part of our own psyche.
Some of the spirits I meet at the far edge of the solar system don't seem to understand that
Cheers
Russell
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Nov 4, 2006 13:11:54 GMT
Post by matt on Nov 4, 2006 13:11:54 GMT
I would have to say that it isnt quite as important for them to understand it as it is for us to understand it. As above, so below.
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Nov 4, 2006 15:55:37 GMT
Post by Bettendorf on Nov 4, 2006 15:55:37 GMT
What?! You guys mean Faust was a fool? I definately agree with you guys, but I also think it is important to remember that their is a difference between bargaining; making deals, swapping stock for good, in a business way, and, being on friendly terms, a reciprocal veneration of respect . Plus, its always much more pleasant to labor with others on friendly terms. I dont see establishing an amiable relationship as any sort of comprising of the will, especially when part of your will is to show loving compassion and work on the Level to and with all things of creation and being. All the critters that dwell within the deepest reaches of our minds are no exception to this. If you beat the servant and ration him too much, his work will become less efficient. What a pleasure it is to work with others who enjoy working with you!
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Nov 4, 2006 22:26:11 GMT
Post by hollandr on Nov 4, 2006 22:26:11 GMT
>What a pleasure it is to work with others who enjoy working with you!
Quite so. And perhaps that is one of the pillars of a working lodge. For myself, I prefer "will within love" rather than "love within will" but perhaps I am too soft
Cheers
Russell
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Nov 5, 2006 8:34:47 GMT
Post by jmd on Nov 5, 2006 8:34:47 GMT
This thread, in my opinion, has nought to do with Kabalah.
The LBRP is basically something that was made up by those in the Golden Dawn by ovelapping various systems and claiming correlations.
Some of these include using angelic (or archangelic, and hence Hebraïc) and 'God appelations' allocated to quarter stations, using a pentagramme and allocating to each of its points an element and the quintessense, and from there moving either deosil of widdershins (northern hemisphere, and depending on use) from the Earth allocated point.
Even the four God-names are not equal: YHVH is the name of God not to be uttered, Adonai one of its substitute, AHIH the 'I AM' and 'agla' a notaricon.
If one seeks to UNDERSTAND the way in which these various words have been overlayed, and the way in which the elements have been 'allocated' a pentagrammatic point, I would suggest that many amongst us would opt to use alternatives.
In terms of Crowley's Masonic career, whether considered 'regular' or not, it is not him as Mason that is of some concern for various people who also work magical, hermetic and other esoteric paths, but what emerges in his own writings, the reports of some of his activities, and the obvious reaction he had to his upbringing.
It is also interesting that it is not in Reuss's position in the Memphis-Misraïm Masonic Rite that Crowley took central interest, but rather in the former's late formation of his OTO.
Personally, I would not recommend the type of fixity that the LBRP develops. Rather, I would opt for other daily work, including a daily meditative practice, the development of reverence, discrimination and love. Quite distinct from seeking to actively impose on the world one's will.
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Nov 6, 2006 22:21:42 GMT
Post by sororaster93 on Nov 6, 2006 22:21:42 GMT
Personally, I would not recommend the type of fixity that the LBRP develops Interesting perspective. I am intrigued, can you elaborate on this?
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Nov 6, 2006 22:27:41 GMT
Post by sororaster93 on Nov 6, 2006 22:27:41 GMT
Thought: why do we put ourselves through all these trials, when all you need is Love? My thought back is: What is love? I would comment "Love is the Law, Love under Will" Love = Agape = 93 = Will Therefore: Love = 93 Will = 93 Thelema = 93 It's also interesting to note this gematria: Thelema = Θελημα * Θ (Theta) = 9 + * ε (Epsilon) = 5 + * λ (Lambda) = 30 + * η (Eta) = 8 + * μ (Mu) = 40 + * α (Alpha) 1 * = 93 Agapé = Αγαπη * Α (Alpha) 1 + * γ (Gamma) 3 + * α (Alpha) 1 + * π (Pi) 80 + * η (Eta) 8 * = 93 When two words are said to have the same value they are said to have a connection. Thelema, Love and Will are all 93. So indeed you are correct... all you need is love ;D The word of the Law is Thelema (in my view!)
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Nov 6, 2006 22:30:11 GMT
Post by codywarren93 on Nov 6, 2006 22:30:11 GMT
--->"Why do we put ourselves through all these trials whenall you need is Love?"<---
I think it is Love that drives us to and through the trials.
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LBRP
Nov 6, 2006 23:00:55 GMT
Post by kizzy on Nov 6, 2006 23:00:55 GMT
And of course 9+3 is 12 which reduces to 3 which amongst other things is the number of the Blessed Trinity, and of the Trimurti.
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Nov 7, 2006 0:34:10 GMT
Post by jmd on Nov 7, 2006 0:34:10 GMT
With regards to 'thelema', I have indeed read Rabelais's wonderful stories, from which Crowley derived his 'law'.
Quite frankly, the sense of Will=Love is indeed an apt characteristic applicable to the Divine whose Will does indeed equate to an outpouring of Love.
This is quite distinct to the comparatively petty will seeking to be imposed on one's environment by the 'magician', who may or may not seek to be an instrument for the will of the Divine.
In such cases, and whether or not by Greek gematria there is an apparent equivalence of number value, there results fissure between the concepts, rather than convergence.
And I say this despite the often claimed equivalence to the act of picking a cup from which to drink as magical act. There are indeed acts that many seek to impose on the world or others through the sheer force of one's will - not all of these are acts of love!
Part of my point about the repeated patterning and relative fixity of the LBRP is that, rather than opening oneself to that small voice within, the first steps are taken by seeking to control and outwardly focussing - certainly these are also important, and are a concomitant development through a subtle and progressive change in the opening of the heart.
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Nov 7, 2006 20:30:40 GMT
Post by codywarren93 on Nov 7, 2006 20:30:40 GMT
-->" not all these are acts of Love!"<--
I suppose what makes an act of Love such, is the Will of the actor. If you drink to sustain your body, that you may live longer to further the Great Work, then lifting the cup is indeed out of Love.
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