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Post by hermit on Nov 29, 2006 14:13:51 GMT
This will clear your area of "positive influences" clearing the way for Grey Magic. Also purifies and brings in divine energy. This is my understanding. I mainly wanted to hear about other people's experiences with this particular ritual.
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Post by Harmony on Nov 29, 2006 16:02:25 GMT
Sorry, and forgive my ignorance. What has this got to do with Kabbala and/or Freemasonry?
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Post by kizzy on Nov 29, 2006 18:03:04 GMT
If you are on the Esoteric side of Freemasonry it can have quite a lot to do with things, but I agree that for the Mundane side it would not have much bearing.
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Post by hermit on Nov 29, 2006 18:43:47 GMT
Sorry, maybe I am in the wrong forum for where my interests lie. I always considered the BRH to be a kabbalistic ritual and when I saw the posting about the LBRP, I felt at the time it was a relevant topic. Also, forgive my ignorance, but I am not familiar with freemasonry and what you mean when you say there is a mundane aspect to the work.
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Post by kizzy on Nov 29, 2006 20:16:57 GMT
Ok Hermit, this is a personal opinion but quite a few subscribe to it .
By "Mundane" I mean the more "Social Club" side to Freemasonry, where the Rituals and Ceremonies performed in the Temple are amateur dramatics, no more than the "Miracle and Mystery" plays performed by the Trades Guilds in olden times. Where much emphasis is given to such matters as Charity "Festivals", Ladies Nights and other such matters. Where the performing the Ritual word perfectly is seen as a great achievement of itself but understanding its meaning is not as important. Where the Speculative side is not that evident at Craft level.
On the "Esoteric" side of course this is the other way round, and the Mystical Import of the Rituals is of great significance, the Speculative aspects are encouraged and the Social side takes a back seat. Some Lodges and Freemasons can combine both, but often especially in Malecraft, the Social side tales presidence.
Hermit that is a very short explanation as I see it after 18 years in Malecraft Freemasonry. Others I am sure will disagree or put their side of this topic, and fair play to them. If I can help you further, PM me and I will get back to you.
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Post by imakegarb on Nov 29, 2006 21:46:42 GMT
Kizzy, I like the way you explained that. Very nicely done. The only thing I could hope to add is that some of us (perhaps by nature) seek that middle way between the two extremes, and thru the varying degrees the separate them. It sometimes feels like running a gauntlet but some of us do try
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Post by hermit on Nov 29, 2006 21:53:59 GMT
Yes, thank you for such a fine explanation. I picked up the book Modern Magick by Don Kraig in 1990 and have been a solo practitioner ever since, so the posting on the LBRP is what really got my attention.
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Post by maat on Nov 29, 2006 23:13:10 GMT
Dear Hermit
From your name I take it you are loner? From you studies you may have already discovered that the Force works in many wondrous ways, eventually to the benefit of all. So I cannot let you leave this site without first directing you to the wonderful resources available in the Articles section. Please note that many of our posters are not Freemasons and we would be delighted if we can be of some benefit to you.
Warm Good Wishes Maat
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Post by hollandr on Nov 29, 2006 23:23:11 GMT
Hermit
If I may make a comment on lone practice:
It seems to me that human have an obligation to perfect themselves as best they can and this should include private spiritual and metaphysical practices.
Having made some progress, the question arises as to whether the human race has some contribution as a whole to the greater scheme of things.
If it has a group contribution then presumably there is an obligation for us to find some suitable group work.
This is where Masonry comes in. Masonry provides assistance for individual unfoldment and provides a basis for group work patterned on the temple in the heavens in which the planetary spirits are office-bearers
Of course, some Masons will have various doubts about the above, but it is all subject to verification by metaphysical experiment in group formation.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by palmereldritch on May 16, 2007 3:07:28 GMT
On the "Esoteric" side of course this is the other way round, and the Mystical Import of the Rituals is of great significance, the Speculative aspects are encouraged and the Social side takes a back seat. Some Lodges and Freemasons can combine both, but often especially in Malecraft, the Social side tales presidence. Are you saying there isn't that much interest in the mystical side in malecraft? I have yet to petition for either co or regular masonry, but if that is lacking or severely diminished in malecraft, that may push me towards comasonry. Maybe I should talk to both local reps for both types and find out. I don't want to miss out on the social aspect, but I really want to meet others and discuss in person, in the real world, with others who have an interest in the esoteric.
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Post by jmd on May 16, 2007 23:23:18 GMT
I do not think a blanket answer can be given, and one can form a very limited and partial view from talking to only one or two individuals who may hold strong views one way or the other.
The Craft is large, and depending on where you are, may come across individuals who have similar interests to you in either co-Freemasonry or in the male Craft. What is very likely the case is that you will meet only very few Freemasons who are seriously interested in the 'magical'-type rituals developed by those in the Order of the Golden Dawn (and its offshoots) in either branch of Freemasonry.
What is my personal experience in both co-freemasonry and in the male craft? Basically, the former is, from my perspective, far better in that it generally takes the ritual seriously in terms of its esoteric aspects, whereas by comparison few in the male craft do - at least with regards to the basic three degrees. Also, the former, having gender inclusivity, seems to me to be more balanced and more truly reflecting the inclusive spirit of speculative Freemasonry from its early inception.
On the other hand, unless in continental Europe, there are very few places to intervisit, and, for me an important consideration, some Orders restricted to Freemasons currently exclude Co-Freemasons (such as, for me a conclusive consideration, SRIA).
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Post by Marcel on Jul 4, 2007 15:45:23 GMT
I would say that the LBRH just as the LBRP is much more than a simple banishing device. It is a Mystery unto itself or "The medicine of metals" as Crowley expressed it.
Notice how all the Pentagrams and Hexagrams in the LBRP make up either 26 (=JHVH) if you regard both Hexagrams (above and below) as Tiphareth. If you see them as separate (Over and sub consiousness) they make up 32 (= the Sephiroth + the paths).
The LBRH has the formula of Sol within it through the signs (LUX) and the INRI formula. Thus the Mystery of life, death and rebirth.
The triangle variations of the Hexagrams of the four worlds also reveal their polarities.
If this has any relevance to Masonry is another thing. Perhaps becouse the founders of the Golden Dawn where Masons. Or since there´s Sacred Geometry in it.
To each his / her own.
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Post by damocles on Jul 31, 2007 2:51:17 GMT
Regarding the ritual itself, I've found it to be particularly effective when used after the LBRP to completely cleanse a circle.
Interestingly, I also bought Kraig's book back in 1990. It began my path, which has so far also led me here...
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