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Post by gipsyrose on May 26, 2007 5:57:55 GMT
I was wondering if anyone has personal experience of, or knowledge about, the organisation that call themselves Fraternitas Rosae Crucis. Their website is www.soul.orggipsyrose
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Post by jmd on May 26, 2007 7:29:58 GMT
I have only had indirect communications with the organisation. It was founded by Clymer around the 1920s, with claims of descent from the Fraternitas Rosae Crucis founded earlier by Randolph (claims that have not only never been substantiated as far as I'm aware, but possibly through bought documents by Clymer from Randolph's widow).
The grounds appear to be (and have been told are) absolutely lovely.
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Post by ronin on May 29, 2007 17:41:35 GMT
I was a member for over two years, but I left shortly after that. Their teachings were okay, but I didn't like the fact that they kept the attitude that they were the "Authentic" Rosicrucian organization. There are no authentic or original Rosicrucian organizations. After reading Eckartshausen's "The Cloud upon the Sanctuary", and these two passage from P.F. Case's "The True and Invisible Rosicrucian Order"....
-"Possibly these manifestoes also may have been included in the miscellany of things Rosicrucian and otherwise printed at Quakertown, Pennsylvania, by Dr. R. Swinburne Clymer. Dr. Clymer offers voluminous documentary evidence that he is Grand Master of the Rosicrucian Order established by Pascal Beverly Randolph in 1856. Such as it is, few will seek to dispute this claim, for Randolph's titles to serious consideration may be judged by his own words. In Eulis (edition of 1874, page 47) he writes: " Very nearly all which I have given as Rosicrucian originated in my own soul."" - pg. 4 of TIRO by Paul Foster Case
- "Such societies still work in the world today. None of them, it may be said once more, makes any claim to historic connection with the "original" Rosicrucians. The presence of such a claim in any document issued by a society calling itself Rosicrucian is sufficient evidence that the leaders of the organization are either themselves misled or else deliberately trading on the word "Rosicrucian" for the sake of monetary advantage." - pg. 212 of TIRO
...I began to rethink my position with Beverly Hall. I decided it was best for myself to leave, as I couldn't concentrate on my studies with them, knowing the fact that they were trading on the name Rosicrucian, as is evidence with Clymer's legal fight with Spencer Lewis of AMORC over the name Fraternitas Rosae Crucis. Also the fact that they stressed over and over on not reading works by other authors except their own, seemed a little suspicious to me. However if none of this bothers you, than perhaps you might like their organization, as their work wasn't all that bad.
In L.V.X., Justin
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Post by scaro on Aug 31, 2007 10:14:50 GMT
I received their information pack from Dr Gerard Poesnecker, the former Grand Master, some years ago. It was interesting enough, the language struck me as a bit flowery, but the focus on them being the only 'authentic' school I found a bit hard to take.
Ben
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Post by sid on Aug 31, 2007 20:00:25 GMT
I received their information pack from Dr Gerard Poesnecker, the former Grand Master, some years ago. It was interesting enough, the language struck me as a bit flowery, but the focus on them being the only 'authentic' school I found a bit hard to take. Ben With regards to the so called Gold and Rose Cross Order: There are different groups using the same or similar name, and the same 9 degrees. A facsimile of the 9 degrees was republished in 1925 here in Germany. The Order was formed in the south of Germany between 1756 and 1768. The 9 degrees were also published in English on the web a while back by one of the new Orders. The Order only lasted a few years and was the cause of much trouble within the Masonic landscape & membership. Regarding the FRC: Like so many they believed that everything that came from Europe was true, when infact some people/groups in Europe had their own anti American agenda which still exists to some extent today. The greatest danger to the new member upon the path is impatience (America), but the greatest danger to the advanced and more experienced member upon the path is arrogance (Europe). Unfortunately, both have allowed themselves to be manipulated by other egregores. www.levity.com/alchemy/rosi_grp.html
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Post by scaro on Sept 1, 2007 1:25:04 GMT
Regarding the FRC: Like so many they believed that everything that came from Europe was true, when infact some people/groups in Europe had their own anti American agenda which still exists to some extent today. I'm a bit puzzled Sid. Didn't Clymer and the FRC make claims of filiation to Randolph, who was an American, after all ? If so I'm wondering what they believed that came out of Europe- whether true or not ? Ben
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Post by sid on Sept 1, 2007 14:54:14 GMT
Regarding the FRC: Like so many they believed that everything that came from Europe was true, when infact some people/groups in Europe had their own anti American agenda which still exists to some extent today. I'm a bit puzzled Sid. Didn't Clymer and the FRC make claims of filiation to Randolph, who was an American, after all ? If so I'm wondering what they believed that came out of Europe- whether true or not ? Ben Have a look at their "Book Rosaecrucian" (Spl.?) regarding the people from Europe belonging to "The Triangle".
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Post by Y Mahomed on Sept 4, 2007 18:22:32 GMT
I once knew a german guy, who had MS & was a member of Amorc [ancient & mystical order of the Rose n Cross] ... his son had P-BMD ... and was gay ... yet content ... that was a good 'nuff reply 4 ME
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 4, 2007 20:38:55 GMT
I once knew a german guy, who had MS & was a member of Amorc [ancient & mystical order of the Rose n Cross] ... his son had P-BMD ... and was gay ... yet content ... that was a good 'nuff reply 4 ME "P-BMD"—Is that the same as the syndrome usually referred to simply as "BMD"— Becker's Muscular Dystrophy, named after Peter Becker?
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Post by Y Mahomed on Sept 8, 2007 20:53:57 GMT
I once knew a german guy, who had MS & was a member of Amorc [ancient & mystical order of the Rose n Cross] ... his son had P-BMD ... and was gay ... yet content ... that was a good 'nuff reply 4 ME "P-BMD"—Is that the same as the syndrome usually referred to simply as "BMD"— Becker's Muscular Dystrophy, named after Peter Becker? Sorry, I meant BPMD ... as in bi-polar mood disorder
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Post by Y Mahomed on Sept 10, 2007 19:53:58 GMT
Is it not the 18th degree in scottish rite fremasonry which is the Rose-Croix degree?
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Post by jmd on Sept 11, 2007 5:57:41 GMT
The 18th of the Ancient and Accepted is indeed often shortened in name to "Rose Croix", without this being in any manner similar to a Fraternity of the Rose and Cross (whether as SRIA, SRIS, SRICF, or other orders such as AMORC, OKRC, etc).
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Post by Y Mahomed on Sept 11, 2007 13:14:51 GMT
The 18th of the Ancient and Accepted is indeed often shortened in name to "Rose Croix", without this being in any manner similar to a Fraternity of the Rose and Cross (whether as SRIA, SRIS, SRICF, or other orders such as AMORC, OKRC, etc). tx
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