imakegarb
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Jul 19, 2007 14:42:56 GMT
Post by imakegarb on Jul 19, 2007 14:42:56 GMT
I've also heard it said that Christians are bid to be fools for Christ . . . not blithering idiots. I, likewise, prefer goats to sheep
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Y Mahomed
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Jul 19, 2007 17:01:48 GMT
Post by Y Mahomed on Jul 19, 2007 17:01:48 GMT
Or perhaps as Ain Soph. Being beyond the veil of negative existence, the cosmic creator is unknowable and unnameable. Kether is the first manifastation of the godhead into the knowable universe, yet still unattainable to us as material beings. I stand corrected, the Ain Soph it what I meant to say. As to the Qu'ran, there is wisdom to be found in all beliefs. The followers of the Prophet, however, need to raise themselves out of the mire of the 7th century first. Islam has yet to have its "Reformation." I'll drink to that.
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Jul 20, 2007 0:57:03 GMT
Post by hollandr on Jul 20, 2007 0:57:03 GMT
>Yet I must add that they(Gods) function as one(collective conciousness), hence they ARE one. They are like a company with the nameless as the Godhead(CEO).
There are plenty of myths across the world about the gods feuding, murdering, raping and demanding human sacrifices.
But I don't quite know how that fits within the collective consciousness
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Russell
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Y Mahomed
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Jul 20, 2007 1:41:32 GMT
Post by Y Mahomed on Jul 20, 2007 1:41:32 GMT
There are plenty of myths across the world about the gods feuding, murdering, raping and demanding human sacrifices. No sane person would believe that that behaviour is by any means God like The collective conciousness refers to how many Gods act as One.
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Jul 20, 2007 1:52:06 GMT
Post by hollandr on Jul 20, 2007 1:52:06 GMT
>No sane person would believe that that behaviour is by any means God like
Who said the gods have to be sane?
As above so below
Cheers
Russell
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imakegarb
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Jul 20, 2007 2:18:30 GMT
Post by imakegarb on Jul 20, 2007 2:18:30 GMT
No sane person . . .
I promise you, if you pursue your path, as I think you will, there will be times you question your sanity. And may, indeed, find it overrated.
In any case, there *are* plenty of stories about gods acting in a deplorable manner. For instances, in the Old Testament there are passages (passages I read only with difficulty) where God demands human sacrifice.
While I tend to view these stories as part of our evolution in our understanding of God, who is to say which stories are more relevant/true than others? And what it means to be, truly, Godlike?
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Y Mahomed
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Jul 20, 2007 15:39:22 GMT
Post by Y Mahomed on Jul 20, 2007 15:39:22 GMT
And what it means to be, truly, Godlike? I dont exactly know what it means but I can tell you what it doesn't mean. For a God to demand animal sacrifice is an act of the lower self and therefore it cannot be the highest god, it can be that of the lower Gods (the malkuth of the Gods). Those are Gods I refuse to worship, I worship He who is most high, free from desire of any kind, who just is, The GAOTU. > As above so below Im finding it hard to disagree with you yet I do, not in the Kether of the Gods, maybe the malkuth.
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Jul 21, 2007 0:24:56 GMT
Post by hollandr on Jul 21, 2007 0:24:56 GMT
>Im finding it hard to disagree with you yet I do, not in the Kether of the Gods, maybe the malkuth.
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I think the crux is whether the virtually universal native accounts of tall humanoids/heros/gods coming to teach agriculture, science, religion are fictitious or literal
If literal then the gods walked amongst humans who worshiped them
For example is this literal: Mic 6:8 - He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Do you today walk with Thy God? Note the possessive. It might suggest that some people have different gods
Cheers
Russell
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Jul 21, 2007 1:08:07 GMT
Post by matt on Jul 21, 2007 1:08:07 GMT
>Yet I must add that they(Gods) function as one(collective conciousness), hence they ARE one. They are like a company with the nameless as the Godhead(CEO). There are plenty of myths across the world about the gods feuding, murdering, raping and demanding human sacrifices. But I don't quite know how that fits within the collective consciousness Cheers Russell The gods at war seem to be an archetypal struggle. The forces that exist within and without man trying to manifest in whichever way they can (muder, rape, and all other sorts of things included). Can we really say that anything happens outside the will of God? The question is whether we understand the Will. *opens the door to a big nasty debate on fate and morality* "The Higher Self must dominate its universe or there will be unbalanced force; each factor will rule its own aspect, and they will war among themselves. Then do we have the rule of the Kings of Edom, whose kingdom is unbalanced force." --Mystical Qabalah This speaks of the warring gods as a dual-aspect of the underlying Unity of the All and of the importance of the Higher Genius being likened unto the rule of God. God is a symbol. How well can we develope a meaning for that symbol? BTW, brethren. Im well aware of the controversy contained within these ideas. It's wise to keep in mind that the process we go through in determining our answer can be much more important than the answer itself.
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Jul 21, 2007 1:23:49 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Jul 21, 2007 1:23:49 GMT
If literal then the gods walked amongst humans who worshiped them In the context of this thread, practitioners of Voodoo do sincerely claim direct contact with their gods. However, it is their gods primarily as spirits. The flesh and blood manifestation of these spirits or deities is limited and comes not through "walking" with them, but by being, as they say, "ridden" by them, in other words, a devotee believes him or her self to be possessed by a loa or spirit, enabling the spirit to enter into and express itself through form. Similarly and bearing-in-mind the essentially African roots of Voodoo, the Qemant, a "Pagan-Hebraic Peasantry of Ethiopia," were, at least until recently, invoking their zars and qoles, in groves of sacred trees clothed in colourful strips of fabric as, I suspect, did the worshipers of Asherah, as part of the pre-Judaic religion of the Israelites, where women wove hangings for the grove (and possibly in sacred groves far afield). With a dim memory perhaps still preserved in the "pagan" tradition of our Christmas trees, decorated and capped by a star or an angelic figure.
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Jul 21, 2007 1:29:04 GMT
Post by matt on Jul 21, 2007 1:29:04 GMT
Aren't we the "malkuth of Gods"?
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Jul 21, 2007 3:25:35 GMT
Post by hollandr on Jul 21, 2007 3:25:35 GMT
>Aren't we the "malkuth of Gods"?
Well my understanding is that there is a whole tree in each sephiroth.
And the human race appears to progress so hopefully is not confined to a single sephiroth for all time
And some of the gods as recorded in human history were quite inhuman in their dealings including in the OT. So I should hope humans are not lower than the lowest of the gods
Cheers
Russell
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Jul 21, 2007 11:14:50 GMT
Post by Y Mahomed on Jul 21, 2007 11:14:50 GMT
> It might suggest that some people have different Gods
I dont disagree with you there, but there is one ruler over all these gods, as in the CEO of the Gods.
> Aren't we the malkuth of the Gods Sure we are, but what I meant was the Malkuth of the Eternal(form) Gods.
>*opens the door to a big nasty debate on fate and morality* I believe fate to be absolute whether you believe in it or not, as far as morality goes, it's a good thing to have, to have guarded actions is to have guarded thoughts.
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