Y Mahomed
Member
3rd door left of right
Posts: 97
|
Post by Y Mahomed on Aug 8, 2007 12:00:20 GMT
Does anyone know what it is and how to tap into it?
|
|
jmd
Member
fourhares.com
Posts: 1,081
|
Post by jmd on Aug 8, 2007 12:10:56 GMT
Are you referring to the term introduced by Durkheim, or Jung's Collective unconscious?
In a nutshell, 'collective consciousness' means no more than the group-think taken for granted by any social group which motivates its behaviour.
|
|
imakegarb
Member
One wee, sleeket, cowran, tim'rous beastie
Posts: 3,573
|
Post by imakegarb on Aug 8, 2007 14:07:56 GMT
I dunno. I've seen such things in action. One minor example . . .
I was at an SCA event. It was Saturday morning and the event was a large one, about 500 tents and roughly three times as many attendees, all spread thru a valley along the Columbia River Gorge.
I was camped with a group at one end and I decided to go visit a group on the other end. Before I left, someone (I did not know her) came into our camp and shouted that she just heard from someone else that 60 mile per hour wind gusts were expected that afternoon. I replied that this *is* the Columbia River Gorge, that such things are possible, but it's the risk we take camping there and I left to go visit my buds on the other end.
As I walked (and I am not a slow walker), the entire event began to implode behind me. That is, as folks heard about this, they began taking down their pavilions, packing up and leaving. The air was thick with panic (I could feel it, though I do admit a certain sensitivity on this point). The implosion overtook me before I got to the other side and, when I got to the other side, I found the encampment I was headed toward was all but gone (I just had time to say good bye).
So I made my way back across what looked like a 60-mile-per-hour gust *had* struck the event. And it occurred to me . . . can a rumor really spread that fast? Later, when I talked to others, folks couldn't always recall how they got the word. I wondered . . . still do . . .
And no especial wind gusts were recorded in the gorge that afternoon.
|
|
|
Post by hollandr on Aug 8, 2007 22:25:43 GMT
>Does anyone know what it is and how to tap into it?
Years ago I was leading an induction process for a spiritual community and I explained to the group of about 24 that it took 40 weeks usually to be accepted into the group being (assuming of course that the group being was interested)
About 9 months later a blacksmith from that course rushed up to me and said the acceptance into the group being had occurred 2 days before the 40 weeks and at 11:45 pm. And the event had so charged him with energy that he had "not stopped running" since then - about a week before
So that is one of the symptoms of absorption into a powerful group being - access to its energies for tasks that are relevant to its agenda
Cheers
Russell
|
|
Y Mahomed
Member
3rd door left of right
Posts: 97
|
Post by Y Mahomed on Aug 16, 2007 14:30:09 GMT
What I am referring to particularly is the ability to act collectively without 'speaking' about it, as in been tuned in to each others frequencies, almost telepathy ... anyone read 'Conversations with God' - Neil Donald Walsh?
|
|
|
Post by maat on Aug 17, 2007 0:06:01 GMT
|
|
|
Post by thedixiemason on Aug 17, 2007 0:30:10 GMT
Maat, excellent link! That would be interesting to anyone involved in IONS, or QuanTrek... www.noetic.org/
|
|
|
Post by hollandr on Aug 17, 2007 1:02:12 GMT
>the ability to act collectively without 'speaking' about it,
Individuals who are compatible and regularly in close proximity will commonly share substance on various levels and be, for example telepathic - mainly lower mental. Another example is women living together often have their monthly cycles synchronised - in that case there is an etheric collectiveness.
Intentional communities often produce group energy fields with a collective consciousness at least at nature spirit level. Such collective consciousnesses can be quite efficient at organising individual behaviour without words.
For example, years ago I lived in an intentional community and I recall there was a meeting organised for perhaps 6 of us. At the time for the meeting I did not feel drawn to go and so did not. At lunch I saw someone from the meeting and apologised for my non-appearance. She said that she did not go either. So I asked around and no one had turned up for the meeting.
I could interpret for that that the meeting had been cancelled at the level of the collective consciousness and everybody had known without being told.
I could provide other examples too
So the question is how to access such collective consciousness.
I would start by:
- determining whether the collective consciousness was really one that I wanted to connect to - settling my mental and emotional processes so that they were open to external impression - working in collective activities with members of the group - spending as much time as possible in the group premises or with group members - seeking to align my values and habits with group practice - not spending time with activities or individuals or processes opposed to the group
All the above are common to monastic communities
But the fanatical supporters of the local football team might equally be interesting to those investigating group beings
Cheers
Russell
|
|
|
Post by thedixiemason on Aug 17, 2007 1:22:11 GMT
Well put Russell.
But, considering the difference between "intention" and "attention", and the experiments and observations of those two different phenomena, do you really have to go through all of those steps?
|
|
|
Post by hollandr on Aug 17, 2007 2:14:36 GMT
>do you really have to go through all of those steps?
Well those steps often will provide a feasible path. There may be more efficient processes available in particular situations especially if there are shared past life patterns
But I did not emphasise the time aspect.
Forming an energy body suited to a group consciousness takes time and lots of energy substance
And once the body is formed and attracts an indwelling entity, the admission of new members is largely by the decision of the indwelling entity. Thus it is an organic process and difficult to force without fracturing the energy body
Cheers
Russell
|
|
|
Post by maat on Aug 17, 2007 3:39:57 GMT
... once the body is formed and attracts an indwelling entity, the admission of new members is largely by the decision of the indwelling entity. Thus it is an organic process and difficult to force without fracturing the energy body Thinking individual lodges here, and why some initites leave very quickly? Maat
|
|
|
Post by thedixiemason on Aug 17, 2007 4:10:22 GMT
I've never seen an EA quit before being raised, except for one who was called into active duty, and another who had to move because of a job transfer.
I hear people talking about initiates quitting, but that just doesn't happen in my lodge...
So, I can't relate to you there.
|
|
|
Post by hollandr on Aug 17, 2007 4:13:26 GMT
>why some initiates leave very quickly?
Yes, the group being may not like them
And there may also be interference from group beings from previous lives. For example, in Co-Masonic lodge it is common to get a number of women who know each other from past monastic and nunnery lives. In those cases, the group being of the nunnery may well be active in the lodge with its own agendas
The situation may be less intrusive in male craft lodges as in times gone by, intelligent men had more options than a monastery. But there are some interesting elements of military group beings (esprit de corps) that show from time to time
Cheers
Russell
|
|
|
Post by thedixiemason on Aug 17, 2007 4:25:16 GMT
Russell, I have to say that I've never experienced that. I rarely meet anyone who, first of all believes in reincarnation. And secondly, most who do believe in it do no share any common conception of the governing laws of reincarnation, ie... from human to cow, or just within a family, or ? So, I have never met a "group" of people who all "know each other" from past lives.... I'm not sure I can buy that.
|
|
jmd
Member
fourhares.com
Posts: 1,081
|
Post by jmd on Aug 17, 2007 4:43:28 GMT
Wow - I forget that different regions and communities have different common views. Around me, I would suspect that most (but certainly not all) people either consider re-incarnation as more-or-less self evident (including most Christians I know), or tend towards a physicalist view of the world.
With regards to people people leaving after doing the first degree only (or the first and the second), I have not (as far as I am aware) met any, but do know of quite a few. I suppose that if there is a minimum attendance requirement between degrees (such as at least six months inclusive of three consecutive attendances), rather than quicker progressions, there is a higher chance that they will leave prior to being raised (and conversely, a lower chance they shall leave once raised).
|
|
|
Post by thedixiemason on Aug 17, 2007 5:13:45 GMT
I would love to meet these people.
|
|
|
Post by hollandr on Aug 17, 2007 5:22:02 GMT
>So, I have never met a "group" of people who all "know each other" from past lives....
Most people are born into families with souls from other lives. It is an efficient means for progressing the group soul agendas. Occasionally you will hear someone complain that they feel they do not belong in their family, but that is fairly rare.
Beyond the family, a common symptom of reincarnation is "love at first sight"
Another symptom of reincarnation is a peculiar skill or aversion. My youngest son would not put his face in water in the bath until he was taught to do so by his older brother. And his mother was always terrified he would drown.
Cheers
Russell
|
|
|
Post by thedixiemason on Aug 17, 2007 5:28:25 GMT
I am biased toward the "family to family" version of reincarnation, through the medium of DNA.
|
|
|
Post by lauderdale on Aug 17, 2007 11:16:43 GMT
I have certainly met EAs who have quit very soon after being Initiated and Candidates who have changed their minds at the last moment before Initiation.
In one the former cases the person in question had done no research into Freemasonry nor had their Proposer told them anything much about The Craft, but had just wanted to get another member into that Lodge.
This man was Initiated, it wasn't his scene and nothing like the pre-conceptions he may have held and he didn't turn up for the next meeting and indeed resigned a few weeks later.
The Candidate in the second situation had been pressured into becoming a Mason by a co-worker. He had his doubts but had been interviewed by the Lodge Committee and passed the Ballot. On the evening that he was due to be Initiated he didn't turn up and was out when phoned at home. The Lodge held a rehearsal of the Ceremony of Initiation with a Visitor acting as Candidate. It was later discovered that the real "no show" Candidate had extreme doubts, some from religious scruples , about Freemasonry and it was probably as well that he was not Initiated.
This is why I am only too happy to tell any Candidate whatever they wish to know about The Craft , with of course the exception of the Signs, Tokens and Words, as I would far rather they knew and declined than were in a state of ignorance and found that Freemasonry was not for them nor them for Freemasonry.
|
|
Y Mahomed
Member
3rd door left of right
Posts: 97
|
Post by Y Mahomed on Aug 17, 2007 13:10:49 GMT
Freemasonry teaches you the technique. What technique would that be? or is it classified
|
|