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Post by hollandr on Jan 23, 2008 22:25:25 GMT
I wonder if human relationships have more players and components than appear on the surface.
A symptom of that may be strong urges or commitments that go beyond what we would consider normal or explainable.
Another symptom might be intensity of interactions that are quite out of the ordinary
Another symptom might be feeling unable to leave.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by hollandr on Jan 24, 2008 22:09:45 GMT
I guess this question is a bit hard.
But here are a couple of examples.
A friend once told me that after living with his partner for 5 years he married her. A few odd things happened around the wedding including:
- the mother of the bride initially refusing to come - no reason given - the elder brother the bride declaring he would sit outside the reception but not enter - half of the brides family believing she had conned the groom and the other half thinking the groom had conned her - the groom's brother being in the same country on a work assignment but not coming to the wedding
Anyway about a month or so after the wedding my friend noticed that he did not like touching his wife - they had been living together for about 6 years by then.
He did not mention it but his wife complained and so he meditated for a while and found the 2 families (group beings) were in conflict and had been for centuries. So he merged the 2 group beings and about 2 minutes later found that "95% of the reluctance to touch disappeared"
From that experience I wonder if ancestors conduct their battles through descendents.
On another occasion I had 5 women in a discussion group and I asked them whether they had ever felt driven to have sex with an intensity that seemed strange. 3 of them immediately recalled such incidents including waking up in the middle of the night and going "hammer and tongs" even though half asleep.
So I am interested in how common it is to detect other agendas or influences dominating relationship interactions
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Antonius on Jan 25, 2008 2:40:41 GMT
ive been observing things like that for years prettymuch everywhere i look.
not to long ago, friday the 11th to be exact i had a strange experiance. i was in an altered state, somewhere in that warm fuzzy haze that sometimes occurs on the edge of sleep in high temperatures, and i for a brief moment experianced a very physical presence of a person i know. now im not trained in anything like astral projection or lucid dreaming or anything like that, and i know that she isnt either. so ive been wondering what kind of connection there could be to facilitate this phenomenon.
the experiance was one of the most profound ive had in a long time, and by far the most physical in nature ever. also the identity of the person was very pronounced and the only realy comparable experiance ive had was much weaker and involved a much deeper altered state and entity involved was the spirit of the plant i had used to induce the altered state.
as for family connection, theres an interesting one here too. she is related to my mothers ex, who she was with during my preteen years. but thats not how i know her. concerning the way i do know here there is some friction like what you describe, but this has grown gradualy and so far is weaker. in any case when i look at human connections it seems the older i get the less anything seems like a coincidence.
as for what this stuff means, im kind of tempted to look at it in terms of multiple playing fields. like in another life she and i knew eachother too or a certain familiarity being passed on geneticly by ancestors who also knew eachother.
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Post by hollandr on Jan 25, 2008 3:12:41 GMT
In the Asian tradition it seems important to keep the ancestors happy so that they have a beneficial impact on the living.
This seems to assume that the ancestors continue to take an interest
A few years ago on the TV in Australia I saw interviewed an aboriginal who still lived a fairly traditional life. He said that everyday his ancestors showed him how to find food in the bush.
For westerners that is a difficult concept. But it seemed to me that he was saying that his interaction with his ancestors each day showed him where specifically to go for food on that day
I am also reminded of General Patton who said he consulted with his dead grandfather (and/or other relatives) on the night before each battle to determine the best tactics.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Antonius on Jan 25, 2008 13:52:58 GMT
actualy, the concept of communicating with ancestors seems to be the predominant model amoung shamanic traditions all over the world. some cultures even look at the UFO phenomenon in this context.
come to think of it, my (step)sister says she recieves guidence from her ancesters alot too. she feels very attracted to native american culture and says that her ancestors often help her get trough difficult times.
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