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Post by maat on Apr 30, 2008 2:00:41 GMT
Re: Royal Arch Looking at the diagram in this link www.rosicrucian.com/images/rccen002.gifOne can see a possible explanation for what the 7 officers of a lodge could be said to represent.. OG the dense physical body, the IG the vital/etheric body etc. (Interesting to note that in this respect it is the SD (Mind) that is the link between the Divine and the Physical World -- just as in lodge.) On the other side of the coin (or page) we have several triplicates which could hold relationships to the triplicates to be found in R.Arch. In R.Arch the set up could suggest the Personality/Link/Ego traversing the 'battlefield' of physical life (Cosmos/Zodiac) to ascend/expand/encompass to the Worlds of Spirit. The position of the A... would suggest that the earthly and heavenly kingdoms meet in the centre. (Which could be the forehead, the heart and/or just below the navel... ) Maat
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Post by hollandr on Apr 30, 2008 2:25:01 GMT
>The position of the A... would suggest that the earthly and heavenly kingdoms meet in the centre.
In my Chapter, the A was exactly where Tipharet would fall
And the Tree is matched more closely to the Chapter layout than any other degree I have experienced
But be careful of seeing the lodge as in the image of man. The lodge is rather in the image of the Heavenly Man and the human likewise is a reflection of the higher Man
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Post by maat on Apr 30, 2008 2:28:21 GMT
The lodge is rather in the image of the Heavenly Man and the human likewise is a reflection of the higher Man As demonstrated by the three sojourners and the three principals... Reflections abound in Masonry! Maat
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Post by hollandr on May 10, 2008 4:36:45 GMT
>As demonstrated by the three sojourners and the three principals...
That pattern (with the altar) reflects both the Tree of Life and the relationship between the heart, atma and monadic bodies connecting via the soul body to the lower mental, emotional and physical bodies.
The pattern is the basic sevenfold structure common across this solar system - for example, nature spirits may be constructed on that pattern
The sevenfold pattern is derived I suspect from the type of solar logos within which we exist - but I am open to offers on that proposition.
There may also be solar or cosmic systems based on 3 or 5 fold structures - possibly at a greater stage of development
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Post by whistler on May 11, 2008 4:28:14 GMT
Is it light we see or is it only darkness that is visible. When we ask for light we are asking to see our way - we do not "see" the light we see the obstacles in front of us. In darkness we can feel secure and safe we do not see the chasm ahead. when we reach that chasm our perspective is changed. If our journey has a predetermined inevitable chasm do we wish to see the chasm before we reach it or would we prefer to enjoy the darkness of today
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Post by hollandr on May 11, 2008 8:22:43 GMT
>darkness that is visible
that appears to be a logical contradiction. SO what does it mean?
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Post by whistler on May 11, 2008 21:21:46 GMT
You can see dark. Light is the mechanism that reveals other things
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Post by hollandr on May 12, 2008 0:03:58 GMT
>You can see dark. Light is the mechanism that reveals other things
Whistler
Unfortunately I am as much in the dark as I was before.
Perhaps there are various states to which the word "dark: is applied:
- absence of physical light - presence of dark energies (that may obscure more distant objects) - presence of inner light of such high frequency that we cannot detect it - an obscuring of intellectual processes by interference - ??
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Post by maat on May 12, 2008 1:40:31 GMT
>darkness that is visible that appears to be a logical contradiction. SO what does it mean? I would take that to mean something along the lines of... a selfish person who has just seen for himself that he is selfish. He has evolved to a stage where he can now see his motives and actions for what they are. Maat
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Post by hollandr on May 12, 2008 1:54:42 GMT
>I would take that to mean something along the lines of... a selfish person who has just seen for himself that he is selfish.
That is a good explanation
But as I recall the line runs a bit like : the Light of Masonry is but darkness visible
Does that mean that Masonry is selfish?
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Post by maat on May 12, 2008 3:18:39 GMT
>I would take that to mean something along the lines of... a selfish person who has just seen for himself that he is selfish. That is a good explanation But as I recall the line runs a bit like : the Light of Masonry is but darkness visible Does that mean that Masonry is selfish? My mind can only grasp it this way at the moment... at our level of existance (physical) all is not perfect, all is not light. We, as individuals, and the units or entities we refer to as Christianity, Red Cross, Freemasonry, etc are not perfect, we, and they, seesaw between sun and shadow at the best of times. So even at our best we are still shades of grey. Maybe this is why Masonry is referred to as being part of the Lesser Mysteries - a preparation ground for us to approach the Greater Mysteries. Maat Could we refer to Chopin publishing his own musical composition as a 7 yr old as 'genius visible'. His genius probably came with him at birth, but it took up to 7 years for it to become visible to others.
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Post by Tamrin on May 12, 2008 8:07:32 GMT
>I would take that to mean something along the lines of... a selfish person who has just seen for himself that he is selfish.
That is a good explanation
But as I recall the line runs a bit like : the Light of Masonry is but darkness visible
Does that mean that Masonry is selfish? The familiar line refers to the light of a Master Mason. I suggest you are oddly confusing the light with what the light reveals. Similarly it has been suggested that Masonry brings to light our mental and moral ignorance: This is does not mean that Masonry is identical with that ignorance.
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Post by maat on May 16, 2008 0:15:23 GMT
Here is some food for thought...
"Dark and light are not equal energies. If you have a dark place and light comes in, darkness does not creep away into another dark place. Instead, it's transformed! Of the two, light is the only one that has an active component and a physical presence. You cannot "beam darkness" into a light place! It can only be the other way around. This is because they aren't equal. One is the absence of the other."
Maat
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Post by maat on May 16, 2008 0:36:58 GMT
From the same source ...
DARK: There's nothing on this planet more evil or more dark than what is possible to conjure up in the Human mind. There's no evil that stands by itself on the planet. All evil is contained in the consciousness of humanity. There's no dark entity or group of entities that stands around waiting for you to slip and fall so they can take you away or capture your soul. Such stories are fear based and do not reflect the magnificence, power, or responsibility of the true Human situation.
But there is darkness, isn't there? It's created with free choice by those Humans who choose to take their consciousness to a darker or denser side. So, dear Human Being, the darkest place on the planet is therefore what Humans have created by choice.
LIGHT: The most divine place on Earth, where there is the most light on this planet, exists in the Human mind within Human energy. It's within the angelic part of humanity that wishes to show itself, enable itself, and claim its divinity. There's no group of bright, white angels who are standing by to take your hand and whip you into heaven should you choose to go. No. Instead, they're standing by in full regalia, willing to celebrate and love and press upon you with their energies to let you know they're there. The planet of free choice is like that. It's the Human who's enabled, it's the Human who will make the difference in the history of the planet. It's the Human who has the responsibility for dark and light, not an outside force that's vying for your soul. But you've always known that, haven't you?
Maat is thinking these definitions may give us a better idea of the words, 'darkness visible' and also of the Work we must do. As the old hymn says... Peace begins with me. God can't feed the hungry unless we offer Him the use of our hands. God can't speak to the lonely, the hopeless, unless we off Him the use of our voice. And so it goes.
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Post by hollandr on May 16, 2008 0:46:58 GMT
>One is the absence of the other
I once when out at night to deal with a path through a woodland where community members were becoming frightened.
At a junction of the path I saw a dark moving cloud. I stepped inside it and no longer could see the dappled light on the path reflected from the clouds.
The dark cloud was thick and blocked the physical light
In this case I just sucked the dark energy through myself and out my head and placed a pentagram on the ground and there were no more complaints
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Post by maat on May 16, 2008 2:44:28 GMT
(An may I say, what a sucker, alright! <--- Maat-a-heh-heh-heh ) Apologies from Maat for her evil twin.
Seriously... Why can't the dark thoughts, like the notorious weather over the mid western states in the US, produce the occasional tornado (read dark vortex)?
If we can produce a vortex merely by censing with a thurible, one can well imagine what sort of a vortex a mind or minds full of anger and hatred could build up over time.
Just thoughts.
Maat
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Post by hollandr on May 16, 2008 3:01:02 GMT
>what sort of a vortex a mind or minds full of anger and hatred could build up over time.
Early last year (as I recall) some friends in the US complained that the wind was ominous.
When I had a look, across much of the US the atmosphere was full of myriads of dark threads seeking to anchor in humans.
The originators of the threads were not human but wished to access humans to propagate their own agendas.
The threat lifted after a day or so and there were no more complaints
So the dark vortices can be non-human in origin as well.
Perhaps we could put more emphasis on what it means to tyle a lodge
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Post by maat on May 16, 2008 3:45:33 GMT
>what sort of a vortex a mind or minds full of anger and hatred could build up over time. Early last year (as I recall) some friends in the US complained that the wind was ominous. When I had a look, across much of the US the atmosphere was full of myriads of dark threads seeking to anchor in humans. The originators of the threads were not human but wished to access humans to propagate their own agendas. The threat lifted after a day or so and there were no more complaints So the dark vortices can be non-human in origin as well. Perhaps we could put more emphasis on what it means to tyle a lodge The AKA threads and cords from another thread.. I am beginning to see there may be a case for defining the word non-human. We would assume that quadrapeds are an example of non-human, and I believe that there is a dreadful astal/etheric pall around abbatoirs. So you would be correct in your statement above. However, if you are referring to alien life... and if alien life had minds similar to our own, whose to say they are not just a different species of human being? What does the word human really mean? I could see that it could mean any intelligence of a certain level who takes on a physical body, this galaxy or the other. If angels know no bounds (apparently), why should hu-man? Thought .... how can one tell from a thread that its source is non human? And if that can be gauged could you not trace the thread to its source and give an account of its originator? ( I can see myself now getting to the other end and saying Oo No Yuki! At which Oo No Yuki says "Hey lady, you looked in the mirror lately? ;D)
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Post by maat on May 16, 2008 3:46:19 GMT
Sorry - it's Friday!
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Post by hollandr on May 16, 2008 4:08:34 GMT
>I am beginning to see there may be a case for defining the word non-human.
Well I am not sure a definition is required. So far all these entities have seemed very obviously non-human - a bit like recognising your own home from other houses in the street.
> I believe that there is a dreadful astal/etheric pall around abbatoirs.
I was watching an empty cattle train go by the other day and there was grey cloud of fear around it and I thought "that is just like the trains to Auschwitz"
The thought rather surprised me as I do not think that I had any experience of that part of Europe at that time. Perhaps I was picking the thoughts of another
> What does the word human really mean?
That is an excellent topic for a thread.
Could we recognise a human with a silicon based body? (and I don't mean boob jobs)
> I could see that it could mean any intelligence of a certain level who takes on a physical body
I do not think the outer form is the means of establishing identity. Otherwise we would not have the concept of possession
And intelligence has never been generally acceptable for determining membership of the human race
Even on the most trivial level, some animals may demonstrate intelligence levels in advance of many humans
> If angels know no bounds (apparently), why should hu-man?
The conventional structure of a human includes a number of other entities (including a solar angel). The definitional difficulties arise with the absence of some usual entities and the arrival of some unusual
>Thought .... how can one tell from a thread that its source is non human? And if that can be gauged could you not trace the thread to its source and give an account of its originator?
Quite so. Just follow up the thread and apply taxonomic tests on the first entity you find. And then move on to the next entity up the line
> I can see myself now getting to the other end and saying Oo No Yuki! At which Oo No Yuki says "Hey lady, you looked in the mirror lately? )
Compassion is an important attribute with investigating darkness
Cheers
Russell
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