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Post by munkholt on Mar 22, 2005 8:59:01 GMT
Back on topic to please Munkholt. I have often discussed the matter of Rituals and adaptations and additions with various Brethren and one idea I have often heard is that of a Composite Rituals incorporating the best parts of all. Now here is something to conjure with. Isn't that what has been going on for years? A sort of natural selection, with new bits added for effect or shifting of emphasis. The Composite, even if it was possible to get the absolutely perfect best-of combination, would probably still displease many: Too speculative, too rigid, too modern, too old-fashioned, too motley etc. Maybe the current "system" of having a wide varity to choose from (and visit!) is actually quite healthy. PS: No need to please me - I just felt there were two conversations happening at once. Give the Initiation-discussion the thread it deserves, and let this one fizzle out, if that's to be its fate - I have no problem with that. A bit like ritual workings.
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Post by munkholt on Mar 22, 2005 9:01:45 GMT
;D Yeah, I can imagine. Maybe there's even a fourth: ?
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Post by atarnaris on Mar 22, 2005 9:13:46 GMT
Ooh, go to the Emulation Lodge of Improvement for this one, every Friday 18:15 @ GQS !!!
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Post by ingo on Mar 23, 2005 9:15:18 GMT
Stewart, you wrote: Imagine what Freemasonry would become if initiations didn't actually initiate?
Answer: A club! But in general initiations are well prepared and the officers know what to do. You are right, initiation has to initiate.
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Post by brojorge on Mar 23, 2005 14:50:38 GMT
To get back on topic . . .
Here are a few North American rituals:
Canadian Rite (very close to Emulation) Ancient York Rite (sometimes referred to as the Webb Work)
In the 1800s, the Baltimore Masonic Convention changed many of the aspects of US Freemasonry. Some of the things this Convention changed were the PM's emblem, the emblem atop the Deacons' wands, all business meetings happening on the 3rd degree, etc.
The GL of Pennsylvania rejected these changes. I'm not sure what this meant for the ritual itself. It might mean there's a distinct Webb Work for VA.
That said, all the US GLs are a little different,
-J
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Post by ruffashlar on Mar 23, 2005 14:56:58 GMT
In practice, I've found that many people in the same lodge can each have a slightly different version of the ritual.
As long as you speak on cue, keep talking, cover the salient points even in a garbled way, don't dry up or ask for prompts, and successfully cue the next speaker at the end, it's taken as OK.
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Post by munkholt on Mar 23, 2005 16:17:36 GMT
From what I understand of the Swedish Rite the officers read the long bits from the book, and there is generally much less to remember by heart. How that works in practice I'll just have to wait and see. I'm sure there's still a big difference in how the words are delivered, in terms of pauses, inflection etc.
And supposedly it is considered important to understand what you're saying, so that's gotta be good thing.
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Post by ingo on Mar 24, 2005 10:22:16 GMT
In Germany we know
- the swedish rite (Große Landesloge von Deutschland) - the scottish rite (Großloge zu den Drei Weltkugeln) - Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite divided in craft grades and in high grades
the craft degrees are divided in men-only lodges (Großloge AFuAM von Deutschland) women-only lodges and co-masonic lodges
the high degrees are divided in men-only lodges and co-masonic lodges
The craft degrees for men-only lodges unite a lot of Rituals (AFuAM from 1960, Schröder, Zur Sonne, Reform-masonry like FzaS, Symbolische Großloge and so on)
The craft degrees for co-masonic lodges unite AFuAM rituals but also rituals of the french LDH, Memphis Misraim or O.T.O. before Crowley
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Post by Proton on Mar 30, 2005 19:22:30 GMT
Hi everyone! I have revisited my commentry on page 1 and added a few more rituals that I have found to exist. When I find a few more I will keep on adding until we get a comprehensive list. No doubt the Scots and Irish have different rituals, perhaps we could hear from them? Remember we are considering on this thread Craft ritual, I beleive that there should really be another thread for the RA, which also has its own suite of rituals! Anyone like to start it off then! Proton
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Post by munkholt on Mar 30, 2005 21:12:40 GMT
I have revisited my commentry on page 1 and added a few more rituals that I have found to exist. When I find a few more I will keep on adding until we get a comprehensive list. Way to go, Proton! Tracing history and differences comes next ...
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Post by Harmony on Mar 31, 2005 7:40:33 GMT
Hi everyone! No doubt the Scots and Irish have different rituals, perhaps we could hear from them? Proton I don't think the Scottish Lodges do have different "rituals" - by different I mean ones that can be grouped together as, for instance, "Emulation". Every Lodge has its own ritual, and I think it is very unlikely that there are 2 the same. My own lodges (Trades House) ritual was supposed to be based on that of Lodge Pollok No 772, but is now very different to anything they do. The Ritual at Kings Park changes with the Master, and the weather.
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Post by taylorsman on Mar 31, 2005 9:49:00 GMT
Bro Harmony, I wish we had that level of autonomy!
Down here in UGLELAND it varies. Some PGMs, (they have a lot more power here than in Scotland more's the pity and are NOT elected), are very procrustean about Ritual and try to impose a set way of doing things on the Lodges in their Province, others are far more easy going and let each Lodge have its own little customs and variations, the situation I greatly prefer. Now within those limits some Lodges are very strict and "By the Book" in how they practice the Ritual, others more relaxed. Personally, as long as it is well performed, contains the key parts, doesn't mix the Degrees etc I feel that each Lodge should be allowed a large amount of latitude.
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Post by bod on Apr 4, 2005 13:14:56 GMT
There was a website that had a list of ritual versions in use in London lodges, but it seems to have disappeared. However, I did find this old article on the MQ website MQ
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Post by Proton on Apr 6, 2005 0:21:51 GMT
Lets try this for size, a complete list as far as I am able to determine! Emulation Nigerian Emulation Sussex West End Logic Stability Universal Poynters Taylors Eastern Craft Schroder Craft Guide Camden Calvers East End Loyality Newman Goldman Henley Oxford Paxton Wanderers Unique Tredegar Benefactum Emulation in Italian Veritas West Lancashire own ritual Authors own ritual Revised Merchant Navy New London It is not complete, as I suspect there will be others hiding out there! It has been distilled from the London Yearbook. Also some Provincial websites do detail what ritual their lodges use. Another bit of interesting information! Proton
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Post by billmcelligott on Apr 6, 2005 5:21:35 GMT
This is the list from Lewis masonic on Craft ritual
Emulation Ritual (Pocket Edition)
Emulation Ritual (Braille Edition)
Emulation Ritual (Library Edition) -- 0853181942
Emulation Inner Working
Emulation Inner Working For 0002
Lectures on the Three Degrees of Craft Masonry
Emulation Ritual First Degree -- 0853181977
Emulation Ritual Second Degree
Emulation Installing Master's Guide - 0853182108
Emulation Working Passing Card
Emulation Working Raising Card
Complete Ritual Of The IM - 0853180148
Complete Workings -- 0853181160
Oxford Working Ritual Of Craft
Ritus Oxoniensis Ritual -- 0853181667
Standard Working Stability -- 0853181918
Revised Working Craft Freemasonry
Presentation Grand Lodge Certificate
Sussex Working -- 0853181241
Sussex Ritual Inner Working
Hymn Cards (Opening and Closing Odes)
Taylor's Working Complete
West End Working
Logic Working
Universal Working
Universal Ritual Inner Working
Universal Working Passing Card
Universal Working Raising Card
Taylor's Passing Question Card
Taylor's Raising Question Card
Taylor's Inner Working
West End Inner Working
Stability Ritual Inner Working
Oxford Working Passing Card
Oxford Working Raising Card
Logic Working Passing Card
Logic Working Raising Card
West End Working Passing Card
West End Working Raising Card
Goudielock Craft Ritual
Goudielock Craft Ritual In 4 Parts
Taylor's Lectures In Sessions
Logic Ritual Inner Working
Taylor's First Degree Only Ritual
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