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Post by a on Feb 17, 2005 11:44:02 GMT
Just curious what forum members here think of this.
As I am but a profane man I will not partake in the poll.
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Post by taylorsman on Feb 17, 2005 12:25:26 GMT
"I think that they do" is the closest answer I can give to such a Poll.
Personally, I am convinced , but I do not have the level of Proof that many others would demand, far less a Court of Law, so like so many things it falls back on "Faith" or "Inner Belief". I suppose it's like my belief that Jesus Christ was a Son of God. I cannot prove that. I do NOT cite The Bible at all as some would as it cannot be considered in any way to be an Independent or Objective account.
However, having considered the proposition and having weighed the evidence available to me from my own point and my own alone, I accept Jesus as a manifestation of God, the Supreme Being, TGAOTU or whatever . It works for me, I do NOT seek to force this on others and respect and honour the other great Religions and those of none at all as long as they in turn respect MY beliefs and those of others.
To me the whole idea of Freemasonry is a waste of time and effort if it is no more than a posh Gentleman's Social Club with some Charitable aims founded by bored Aristos after the Restoration and I would not have stayed in such an Organisation and devoted so much effort to it over the last 16 years culminating with my joining ROS this Saturday, if that was all it was to me. If that was all I wanted I would have joined Lions or Round Table or the likes. However, I accept that to others it is no more than a Club and as long as they do not try to dictate to me what I should believe or see in it, then that is their choice.
So chalk me up as personally convinced that Freemasonry is founded on the Ancient Mysteries, but unable to furnish objective proofs that would convince a sceptic of this.
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Post by bod on Feb 17, 2005 12:29:52 GMT
I think they do - the trouble is that 'ancient mysteries' is an enormous category
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Post by Trinityman on Feb 17, 2005 13:56:47 GMT
I think they do - the trouble is that 'ancient mysteries' is an enormous category Hmm. Before I cast my vote perhaps you could let me know what you mean by Ancient Mysteries.
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Post by a on Feb 17, 2005 14:54:57 GMT
Bill
Knowledge that has been with us since time immemortal about ourselves that is available to help us grow once we are ready to receive it.
I am sure others will have different definitions.
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Post by Trinityman on Feb 17, 2005 15:10:33 GMT
With that definition in mind, and based on my knowledge of freemasonry to date, I would have to say some do and some don't. I'm still going to have to see which way I vote
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Post by whistler on Feb 17, 2005 18:09:20 GMT
Bill Knowledge that has been with us since time immemortal about ourselves that is available to help us grow once we are ready to receive it. I am sure others will have different definitions. Hi Stewart, Yup I am very sure Not sure about your definition
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Post by a on Feb 20, 2005 20:10:46 GMT
Thank you to all who took part in this poll. The difficult bit is, how do you define "ancient mysteries" in a few words?
This is important, even if the response is kept close to your heart.
For the ancient mysteries offer so much for us all, each and every single one of us, in this specific point in our evoution.
What is important is that you know yourself and that you work from your heart. Though that can be very dificult in our world today.
Anyway thanks again.
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Feb 21, 2005 4:22:13 GMT
One probably "thinks that they do", which is why some join freemasonry, which for me then proved that "I know that they do".
Everything in life "starts' with so called ancient mysteries or old wives tales (funny not old men's tales?) - so maybe male craft was formed to tap into this! But I digress-
That then flowed onto accepted proceedure/normal action to todays' "taken for granted" The ancient mysteries was simply a term for issues that were held in greater esteem than the average because fewer people were cognisant of their worth, (when initially promulgated).
I would suggest todays' theory is tommorrows' reality.
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Post by giovanni on Mar 25, 2005 15:04:35 GMT
Yes, I do really think they do. Man is not changed, or has changed very few. The reasearch for truth is not a prerogative of the Craft, but of the whole mankind.
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Post by leonardo on Mar 25, 2005 19:55:01 GMT
[quote author=stewartedwards link=board=Poll&thread=1108640642&start=0#0 date=1108640642 As I am but a profane man I will not partake in the poll.[/quote]
And neither shall I. but the original question is very interesting nonetheless and I'm enjoying reading the comments so far. I just hope that more members decide to get involved.
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Post by a on Mar 25, 2005 20:20:18 GMT
Leo
I too hope that they do.
The ancient mysteries are very critical to our current wellbeing, and are finding new ways of presenting themself to us. I wonder why new ways are being found?
Out of interest is anyone confused by what is meant by ancient mystery?
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Post by a on Apr 22, 2005 19:45:21 GMT
It is a Mystery that no one else has responded. A real Mystery. Not an ancient one though...or maybe it is.
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Post by Siontific on Apr 22, 2005 21:57:51 GMT
I think that they do because it is impossible to "know that they do".
However, I strongly believe that most of our traditions and beliefs go back to the solar cults. Birth and Rebirth, Light and so on.
Many of these beliefs have been hijacked by various institutions, some of them today called religions.
It is the principle of "seeking truth" that prevails; morals, good conduct, "brotherly love". It is amazing how much of this is missing from the alternatives today.
Man has always sought the "better man". Who or what that ideal is can be found in our hearts.
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Post by a on Apr 23, 2005 8:37:47 GMT
I think that they do because it is impossible to "know that they do". Are you positive? Indeed. And as more hearts open, Maat will return to our world. (which will benefit even though who resist it).
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Post by Siontific on Apr 23, 2005 9:30:58 GMT
on 04/22/2005 at 22:57:51, Siontific wrote:I think that they do because it is impossible to "know that they do". QUESTION: Are you positive? ANSWER: Yes, how can you possibly "know" about events that took place thousands of years ago. You can only really "think" that you know, i.e. that you agree with that belief or line of thought.
There is no definitive proof or documentation to lead you to know the answer. You make your own judgement based on a wide range of reading, assumption and choosing, perhaps, the most logical reason for those events.
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Post by a on Apr 23, 2005 10:17:56 GMT
ok, but remember not everything can be written down, somethings have to be felt.
A bit like love.
Consider that you are in a shop, any shop. You will most likely walk past many people. Most you may not really notice. Some you will think, something to the effect of "She looks nice", others "cor blimey" and occassionally you may sense someone rather special. This chemistry effect is unrelated to looks or personality, and has been noted by many. It is difficult to describe the feeling when energies connect in this way, and it is very real and tangible to those concerned, yet elusive and intangible to everyone else.
just some thoughts.
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Post by a on Feb 21, 2006 7:47:12 GMT
Perhaps one day in the next couple of decades the Mystery Schools will regain the respect and status in our global society that they once held.
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Post by hollandr on Feb 21, 2006 22:04:09 GMT
Stewart
I think that a new form is emerging for Mystery Schools - largely to cope with the very large numbers of humans who are seeking genuine initiation.
So you might look to see where the introductory teachings of the ancient schools are now being taught
Cheers
Russell
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Post by a on Feb 21, 2006 22:42:03 GMT
Right within the person. Especially the later generations. The schools have been bypassed to a degree. That said I have found the teachings everywhere, though in some places, like parts of the "New Age" (excuse me but old age) it is rather confusing.
The trouble is, and I do know that some disagree with me here, is that our world really really needs the old school, to offer a helping hand just now. But sadly they don't appear ready. (though I do accept that they could actually be doing a huge amount quiety behind the scenes)
I only consolidate myself on the belief that everything happens for a reason.
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