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Post by cezarek on Jan 31, 2006 22:02:39 GMT
Surely the answer is all masons, living and dead, all created by the GAOTU in her/his image.
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Post by hollandr on Jan 31, 2006 22:08:21 GMT
Perhaps The Widow or her son The Lord of Light own Masonry but certainly not the King of Terrors - he has his own lodges
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Russell
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Post by ruffashlar on Feb 5, 2006 16:32:54 GMT
It is therefore a human invention, owned by men
As with all great things, either the Divine has inspired it, or it aspires to the Divine; which amounts to the same thing.
As for ownership, who owns the land? A big chap in smelly tweeds with an elephant gun might inform me that this here land is his; but I know it is we who belong to the land and are its guardians. Similarly, some other gentrified chap (maybe even the same one) might tell me that Freemasonry is his; but we know the Craft is our Mother, and that old, infirm and enfeebled parent we will cherish and stand by, till she be restored to strength and an unbesmirchable glory.
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Post by a on Feb 5, 2006 16:45:14 GMT
we know the Craft is our Mother, and that old, infirm and enfeebled parent we will cherish and stand by, till she be restored to strength and an unbesmirchable glory. Ruff, I have today dealt with what appears to be a troubled email which in a way touches on this, from one of your international brothers. Isn't it funny how life brings events together when need be? Ruff, can I ask you, as far as you feel able to answer me, is your comment above from your own mind, or is it part of Masonic ritual/legend? If it is the latter then it would explain a few things, including possibly part of the email that I refer to above. Either way Freemasonry does have the opportunity to restore itself to strength at this precise moment in time, should the will to do so be there. But the window of opportunity in this cycle will soon be past.
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Post by taylorsman on Feb 5, 2006 18:58:28 GMT
Stewart, the concept of Freemasonry being the Mother is far stronger in Scotland than here under UGLE. We do use the phrase "Mother Lodge" for the Lodge into which one is Initiated, and in the Third Degree we refer to being "Sons of the Widow" but that is about it. In Scots Workings there is the old question "What did you pay for Freemasonry?" the answer being "An old shoe of my Mother" (correct me if I am wrong Ruff). I feel that such references to "Mother" would have stronger resonances in Scotland than down here. Certainly I have never regarded Freemasonry in that way, nor heard many of my UGLE Colleagues doing so.
I prefer to think of Freemasonry Universal as I do the Christian Religion. I am a High Anglican but a Methodist, Baptist, Roman Catholic , Greek Orthodox , Presbyterian, etc is also a Christian to me. If I wish I can visit their Churches and they mine, although their Rituals and Ceremonials are different to mine as indeed are their Doctrines and Dogmas.
To me UGLE is the Managing Body of the branch of Freemasonry to which I belong. It has many good points and some bad, it is a Board of Directors of a Corporate entity but is NOT my Mother.
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Post by a on Feb 5, 2006 19:49:47 GMT
Old and well worn from the travelling to get you properly prepared ready to knock perhaps. Fortunately in the wider world there are plenty of routemarkers to help guide you on your way that have been laid down over the years ready to help weary travellers on their way. And the beauty of them is that they really are hidden in plain sight, ready waiting until you are ready. Sheer poetic beauty.
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Post by taylorsman on Feb 5, 2006 20:09:49 GMT
Of course the symbolism of the shoe is very strong in Jewish culture.
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Post by maat on Feb 5, 2006 23:53:02 GMT
To me UGLE is the Managing Body of the branch of Freemasonry to which I belong. It has many good points and some bad, it is a Board of Directors of a Corporate entity but is NOT my Mother. Good Morning Taylorsman I only came across your statement after I had posted something along the same lines in the 'Higher Moral Imperative' thread. Talk about synchronistic timing! Maat
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Post by ruffashlar on Feb 10, 2006 8:28:45 GMT
To me UGLE is the Managing Body of the branch of Freemasonry to which I belong. It has many good points and some bad, it is a Board of Directors of a Corporate entity but is NOT my Mother. ;D ;D ;D Oh dear, Steve, how I did chuckle! Well, now, I don't think I put that right. It's not UGLE (or even GLoS) who is our Mother, it is the Craft who is our Mother. I mean that in the sense that we are all fatherless sons in our vulnerablity: penniless and helpless we stand in the north-east. The Craft is in that sense both our sense of reponsibility to one another, and the adoptively familial setting of all Initiates being brothers.
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Post by corab on Feb 19, 2006 23:05:19 GMT
I mean that in the sense that we are all fatherless sons in our vulnerablity: penniless and helpless we stand in the north-east. The Craft is in that sense both our sense of reponsibility to one another, and the adoptively familial setting of all Initiates being brothers. Beautifully put, Ruff - call me a soppy git but that brought tears to my eyes. Mainly because I remember standing there thinking "What the heck? I was d... of all m...!" and still trusted all would be well. Nothing in the world can replace or mimic that depth of trust I have felt ever since I expressed it upon entry into the Temple Cora
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Post by a on Feb 19, 2006 23:07:28 GMT
Cora can I call you a soppy git or does it have to be Ruff?
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Post by corab on Feb 19, 2006 23:09:55 GMT
Cora can I call you a soppy git or does it have to be Ruff? Nah, you go right ahead, Stewart - I am a soppy git ;D
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Post by a on Feb 19, 2006 23:12:32 GMT
I often cry at movies so what does that make me (can't believe I admitted that)
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Post by corab on Feb 19, 2006 23:22:48 GMT
I often cry at movies so what does that make me (can't believe I admitted that) A soppy git! I do the same*G* But I've got an excuse: I'm a girl; I'm suppose to cry at emotional moments in movies, right?
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Post by ruffashlar on Feb 20, 2006 17:17:35 GMT
Ah, you girls haven't got the monopoly on crying at movies - Stewart's a big girl's blouse, too! Nah, I'm only kidding. I cry at movies regularly. Especially movies with Stephen Seagal in them: his acting would put a wedding-cake in tiers. I wept buckets at Brokeback Mountain. Mind you, Jake Gyllenhaal had a wee tear in his eye, as well.
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Post by a on Feb 20, 2006 17:37:55 GMT
Stewart's a big girl's blouse, too! Well I do remember some time back one of these here polls, started by Andrew? suggesting that I may have been Joan of Arc in a previous life (not something that I have ever claimed by the way), and in the films she cries beautifully. One wonders if this may be why some English Masons don't appear to like me much! (you know siding with the French, defeating the English and all that) ;D
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Post by ruffashlar on Feb 22, 2006 4:44:30 GMT
and in the films she cries beautifully
She? Don't you mean Milla Jovovich? Milla Jovovich is very beautiful at the best of times, but when she cries she is a heartbreaker - I think especially so because she has such a comparatively masculine face anyway, and that is accentuated in Joan of Arc by her pudding-basin Roundhead haircut.
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Post by alkistis on Mar 7, 2006 15:24:24 GMT
Apologies for stating the obvious, but ... Freemasonry owned by neither us nor the GAOTU - and by both! It's a co-operation; team work; partnership. The GAOTU may have inspired it, but we have built on that foundation - to find our way back to our Origin, our Maker. Can I suggest a "Both" option be added to the poll? Cheers, Cora I just agree with you!
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Post by Munro on Jan 14, 2007 14:59:14 GMT
I am having issues with this question.
Freemasonry is obviously a human construction. IT is we who laid the foundations and continue to build upon them.
But the spirit and the energy of our endevour; that and that alone, is a gift from the Great Architect.
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Post by hollandr on Jan 15, 2007 1:41:06 GMT
>Freemasonry is obviously a human construction.
Munro
If you are referring to the reformation of Masonry in England in the 18th century then you may well be accurate.
But if you are referring to Masonry as a time immemorial impulse, then your statement is not so obvious.
For example, what was the role of The Widow (Isis) of whom we claim to be bloodline descendants?
Cheers
Russell
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