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Post by a on Feb 17, 2005 11:24:57 GMT
To those who can't see the Masonic connection here. You have to come from the standpoint that Freemasonry as we know it today is one of the storehouses of the ancient mysteries, which have been handed to us for safekeeping and to help humanity grow and find the light. Some fraternities appear to believe this, others appear not to. But as some in some fraternities appear to, then who gave the ancient mysteries to us? Don't get hung up on terminology, work conceptually. Could turn out to be a heck of a lot more Masonic than at first apparent. Then again (to please Taylorsman ) I could be wrong.
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Post by bod on Feb 17, 2005 11:43:00 GMT
Yes, and I believe that I can transmute Walkers crips into cold pressed latinum, which - as any fule kno - is a galactic currency. As long as I come from the point of view that my hands are merely conduits for the power of the mystical space hedgehog to transmit its force through me.
Its possible to twist your mind around anything if it isn't boundered by reality.
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Post by a on Feb 17, 2005 11:47:37 GMT
Its possible to twist your mind around anything if it isn't boundered by reality. Shall I take that as a compliment ;D
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Post by taylorsman on Feb 17, 2005 11:54:39 GMT
Like many matters I have an open mind and if someone who I had reason to trust from experience told me such a matter in due sobriety then I would be inclined to believe him until he either could not substantiate his statement or on the contrary was able to give me some evidence.
Many years ago an interesting incident occurred. A man I knew, a car mechanic and not one given to flights of fancy, told me that he had seen a UFO when standing in the car park of country pub near Reading. Others in the pub laughed at him, as would be the case, but I asked him a few questions about this then agreed to accompany him to the place in question. It was about 9.00pm when we got there, parked up and sure enough he looked over to the countryisde at the dark sky and said, "Look there it is again, changing from green to red and moving diagonally from left to right!" Now I didn't see it ,then suddenly a thought occurred. Like most pub car parks there were floodlights, I stared into one for a few seconds then looked at the dark sky. Sure enough there was the UFO, an object changing from vivid green to red to blue and slowly moving at an angle from upper left to lower right. It was an optical illusion caused by Persistance of Vision.
We sometimes see what we either want to see or expect to see. As an example there died at the weekend a nun who claimed to have seen visions of the Virgin Mary at Fatima. I am always sceptical that such apparitions appear to pubescent peasant girls for the most part in staunchly RC Countries. I would be far more likely to accept the validity of such a Vision appearing to a Middle Aged Anglican Accountant in the car park of Tescos in Didcot!
I am NOT saying that I am so conceited to believe that mankind is the only intelligent and advanced lifeform in the Universe, far from it, but would be inclined to look first for a more down to earth explanation, before regarding such a sighting as "First Contact".
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Post by a on Feb 17, 2005 11:58:29 GMT
Taylorsman
Indeed. It is generally accepted by those in the field, that at least 95% of UFO sightings are something else/misinterpretations or whatever.
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Post by Trinityman on Feb 17, 2005 13:54:58 GMT
To understand you would have to accept the possibility that Millenia ago alien species came to Earth and started a life here... From one perspective we are all descendants from aliens. So we are part alien. In which case disbelieving in aliens seems strange. And as evolution has progressed over the years the aliens are in effect us. Ah - you mean a la Stargate / 2001. This is quite a reasonable theory and certainly not one to be scoffed at. However as alien generally means 'from somewhere else', and as we are all here, it's not really what most people would describe as Alien. So I'd be very interested in his viewpoint, as long as he was prepared to spend an equal amount of time listening to mine That would make a most interesting conversation. There's nothing controversial here yet Stewart Most of this stuff is alien to freemasonry, but much of it is of great interest to freemasons. There is a difference. What is more interesting Stewart, is how do you think I would react, and why do you think I would react any differently to you? You seem to be trying to push me back into that box again ;D
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Post by a on Feb 17, 2005 14:42:54 GMT
Sorry Bill that is unintended
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Post by bod on Feb 17, 2005 15:54:13 GMT
Bod It may already have happened for all you know. Stewart - am I to assume from that remark that you have also been for a drink with Jumile?
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Post by a on Feb 17, 2005 16:26:34 GMT
;D
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Post by Trinityman on Feb 17, 2005 17:53:18 GMT
Ok Stewart - I'll bite ;D
I would react the same to a brother as to another. If he was ernest and serious enough to want to tell me about it I would give him the courtesy of listening to what he had to say without prejudgement. Believe it or not I'm pretty open-minded on such things.
Its about respect, not reality.
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Post by staffs on Feb 17, 2005 18:05:12 GMT
i keep an open mind on UFOs and aliens and although i think i may have experienced some of this phenomena i dont remember too much about it.(Was i abducted ? serious now ) or was it an experience through another plane or level of conciousness.
However i am a firm believer of spriits and psychic planes and tuning in at certain times when my mind allows or i allow it too and i can be quite psychic at certain periods.(Is this a moon cycle thing or time of the month ? )
I expect a reply from Stewart now telling me i am getting there and will look forward to his reply.
Since all the energy in the temple talk i have started to observe and open my mind and there is definitely something in all that.
Our last meeting went really well and you could just feel it.
Even at the FB afterwards this too carried on with a tremendous feeling and many visitors and lodge members stated how good they felt about the evening.
Am i looking a bit too deep into something that may not be there ?
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Post by a on Feb 17, 2005 18:29:29 GMT
I expect a reply from Stewart now telling me i am getting there and will look forward to his reply. Staffs, there are people on this forum, present and sadly past, who are much more able to comment than me. I am just begining to make sense of all of this remember.bearing in mind I have only been in Lodge rooms when they are not open, I would recommend that you take a tour of a comasonic lodge, I assume that you could do that without breaking your obligation, you may be in for a nice suprise. Hey why not set up a forum outing, I am sure that at least one of the comasonic fraternities would be more than happy for you to visit.Feeling energies can be a double edged sword, so don't go too crazy.Well I look deeply into everything. Thinking can make you an outsider in many ways, but it can also help you in so many other ways. I always try to look at issues from every perspective it helps me discriminate.
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Post by penfold on Feb 17, 2005 19:00:02 GMT
Well I look deeply into everything. Thinking can make you an outsider in many ways, but it can also help you in so many other ways. Looking too deeply can also lead to you disappearing up your own fundament. Minds work best when they are open - like parachutes.
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Post by ruffashlar on Feb 18, 2005 8:22:01 GMT
Not much chance of getting any proof, do I ? My bum is in fact safe from being bitten by aliens, is it not?
And if a brother did tell me in all earnestness of his abduction, I would listen attentively and pay him all possible respect, because I've dealt with raving loonies before, and they do get violent when you point out that Stargate SG1 isn't a patch on the original - although, while they had the courage to cast Jaye Davidson as the androgynous alien, they still found it necessary to write in Kurt Russell's nuke-totin' grunt character.
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Post by staffs on Feb 18, 2005 8:25:08 GMT
Ruff,all this talk about abduction .do you have a desire to be abducted yourself ??
Perchance to dream maybe ??
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