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Post by leonardo on Feb 24, 2005 20:02:31 GMT
For you horoscope click here.
Edited: Link removed as it has been found out to be nothing more than a scam. Foolishly I never checked it out fully. I had thought it was some "harmless fun." But lesson learned.
Apologies to all who may have been caught up in it.
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Post by a on Feb 24, 2005 20:07:17 GMT
Leo have you done this? Do you get bombarded with spam? Do you believe in horoscopes? Have you tried Kabbalistic Numerology?
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Post by leonardo on Feb 24, 2005 20:16:08 GMT
Stewart, It's just a bit of fun for those, like me, who might see it as such. As for "spam" this is not a problem since I went over to Gmail.
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Post by a on Feb 24, 2005 21:04:11 GMT
Sorry Leo that was not meant to be as serious as it sounds on rereading. My first question was me being nosey, the second was me being cautious, the third me being nosey again, and the fourth, well that is just nosiness as well.
My serious tone probably comes from me carrying the weight of our world on my shoulders.
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Post by leonardo on Feb 24, 2005 21:31:39 GMT
Stewart,
I have to confess in all honesty that your questions actually got me thinking. Not the one about spam, I hasten to add!
I don't know very much about horoscopes or astrology, except those bits that I see in the newspapers, that is. I have always found it rather intriguing that some people seem to have the ability to make fairly accurate forecasts with regards to one's destiny in life but somehow fail to predict the winner of the Grand National!
I've been fairly sceptical about such claims. But I have to ask myself: Is my scepticism justified? Perhaps it is. Or, perhaps there is far more to this than I give it credit for?
So now at least I feel that I would like to learn more about such things before coming to any ultimate conclusions.
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Post by a on Feb 24, 2005 22:03:35 GMT
Stewart, I have to confess in all honesty that your questions actually got me thinking. As Taylorsman can confirm to you, this has been my objective over the past year. To get Freemasons thinking. If thought can be followed by a little will then Freemasonry's lot will I think improve fairly quickly.
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Post by leonardo on Feb 24, 2005 22:50:29 GMT
Stewart.
When I said "it got me thinking" I was naturally speaking for myself as an individual. As you will appreciate I am not yet a Freemason and to use me to promote your quest to "make Masons think" is I feel somewhat misguided.
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Post by ruffashlar on Feb 24, 2005 23:41:02 GMT
You can lead a Mason to water, but you can't make him think. In fact, I doubt you'll be able to make him drink water, either. More likely a pint of Magners and Red Bull ;D
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Post by a on Feb 25, 2005 7:18:59 GMT
Leo Stress man stress I wasn't using you, just illustrating that I try to get people to think. And as you noted that my post had inadvertently got you to think, I though that I would illustrate the power of the energy that I was investing in forums. I was not in any way using you. If that is how you feel then please accept my apologies. Ruff Then that is indeed a problem as thinking is a very important part of theoretical freemasonry. If thinking is currently alien to The Craft, then perhaps it is no longer Freemasonry in anything other than name. Just to keep vaguely on topic I wonder what astrology says about Freemasonry getting into a state when its members dont think? Can you get horoscopes for organisations? And for those that this upsets I apologise for that as well.
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Post by taylorsman on Feb 25, 2005 8:10:39 GMT
Don't apologise so much Stewart, you have as much right to state your case and stand by it as any other poster here. You weaken your standing thereby.
Do Organisations have Horoscopes? Some would hold that they, Nations, Companies, etc do. I imagine they would take the date and place of the foundation of these so for UGLE it would be the date in 1815 when it was founded. Anyone with the necessary skills or even a Computer Program which casts Horoscopes care to do this?
Freemasonry and Thinking? I suppose it's like every aspect of Life. In Religion and Politics there are very many adherents who would never query the policies of their Leadership or even think about them and who parrot their pronouncements almost like mantras. Why should Freemasonry be any different. We have encoutered here and elsewhere those members of The Craft who look no further than the Mundane and are indeed hostile to any suggestion of deeper Symbolical far less Esoteric or Mystical connections. Conversely there are those who actively seek such aspects and join the Higher Degrees where these can be found.
Stewart, I would say that there IS thinking in Freemasonry, far more in the likes of Co-masonry than in UGLE at Craft level perhaps. However the younger members in the 30 to 45 age group now coming up the ranks are more likely to ask "WHY?", to put things to the test, to question time honoured customs and practices than their fathers and grandfathers who tended to accept what was put before them. Changes have already taken place in UGLE Freemasonry which would have been out of the question when I was Initiated 16 years ago.
Stewart, if your postings here and elsewhere have made some Brethren think about what they do, the words they say, the way The Craft is run then you are to be thanked for that, so STOP APOLOGISING!
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Post by leonardo on Feb 25, 2005 9:23:17 GMT
Stewart no need to apologise. I clearly misunderstood where you were coming from. So, if anything it is I who should be apologising to you!
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Post by taylorsman on Feb 26, 2005 10:12:45 GMT
Leo, it's a rip off. I e-mailed her and sure enough back came an e-mail telling me I had a "free" Horoscope. When I read it and strained out all the bullsh1t which goes on and on and on and is total generalisation I discovered that it was only a sales pitch to buy a "Lucky Photo", a "Lucky Talisman" etc and so forth and not cheap either! Now I remember the adverts in the more downmarket Sunday Papers for "lucky" charms such as "Joan the Wad" , "Jack O Lantern" , a piece of the "Lucky Cork Tree" and other such tokens, some even with a tie in to more conventional religions.
Sorry, as the Yanks say. I'm from Missouri when it comes to such items, although I do have an open mind on REAL Astrology.
Thanks for the link anyway Leo, but I have marked it as "Spam".
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Post by leonardo on Feb 26, 2005 11:29:57 GMT
Link has been removed as Steve has been found it is nothing more than a scam. Foolishly I never checked it out fully. I had thought it was some "harmless fun." But lesson learned.
Apologies to all who may have been caught up in it.
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Post by taylorsman on Feb 27, 2005 1:05:47 GMT
No criticism intended Leo. It was an interesting matter to post but I did suspect that it would turn out as I thought.
Those who truly have such gifts tend to perform their works gratis or at most will accept a voluntary donation, but others who advertise such services via the Internet etc are only in it for the money in my experience.
There are many computer programmes available to cast Horoscopes, the skill is in the interpretaion of the data thus presented. I could buy such software and set myself up on the web with an appropriate name "Madam Esmerelda and her Mystic Mog Kizzy" and I'm sure some people would "Pay Pall" me £20 a go for a reading.
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Post by ruffashlar on Feb 27, 2005 9:29:59 GMT
Atually, all conventional Horoscopy is by definition bollocks, because it's based on the original ephemeris tables drawn up thousands of years ago. The action of precession has gradually rendered them completely useless.
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