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Post by palmereldritch on May 16, 2007 23:59:23 GMT
Are there people that are members of both? Is this frowned upon?
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Post by Tamrin on May 17, 2007 0:20:21 GMT
Are there people that are members of both? Is this frowned upon? The Co-Masonic Obediences of which I am aware, unilaterally recognise most 'mainstream' Grand Lodges and will permit their members to join. However, this is not reciprocated and is indeed very much frowned upon by those Grand Lodges. I was present at a Quarterly Communication of my former Grand Lodge at which two Brethren were expelled for being members of LDH and not agreeing to relinquish that membership. My understanding is that they may have been let off with a reprimand had they resigned from and agreed to cease visiting LDH lodges. P.S., By contrasting Co-masonry with 'Regular' masonry, you are implying that Co-masonry is nor regular. This is a topic of dispute.
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Post by palmereldritch on May 17, 2007 2:24:36 GMT
P.S., By contrasting Co-masonry with 'Regular' masonry, you are implying that Co-masonry is nor regular. This is a topic of dispute. Oops, meant to put "regular" into quotes.
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Post by jmd on May 17, 2007 4:08:25 GMT
I think that some would be truly astounded at the number of male-craft members (including GL officers) who have visited LDH Lodges.
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Post by penfold on May 17, 2007 10:07:05 GMT
I think that some would be truly astounded at the number of male-craft members (including GL officers) who have visited LDH Lodges. I'm certain there are more than one or two.....
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Post by corab on May 17, 2007 11:34:58 GMT
Count on it, Penfold. However, to answer Palmer's question: I haven't got my General Regulations on me, but to my recollection it does not, at present, specifically rule out membership of multiple obediences. I am, however, aware that dispensation is required for dual membership of two different Federations in our own Obediences, so I would imagine multiple-Obedience membership would certainly raise eyebrows, if not be excluded outright.
UGLE & amity do not recognise Co-Masonry as regular, so for its members dual membership in that particular configuration is outright impossible.
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Post by imakegarb on May 17, 2007 18:39:41 GMT
Much in dispute but, in fact, I'm as regular in my Co-Masonic Obedience as any Freemason is in his/her's. So I don't accept the label "irregular".
Anyway, I know a number of brothers in my Obedience who are "associate members". These are Freemasons who are members of my Obedience and, also, of another.
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Post by corab on May 17, 2007 19:22:35 GMT
Anyway, I know a number of brothers in my Obedience who are "associate members". These are Freemasons who are members of my Obedience and, also, of another. That's interesting, Karen. Do you know whether there is a requirement for that other Obedience to be in fraternal relations with yours?
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Post by staffs on May 17, 2007 20:53:57 GMT
Anyway, I know a number of brothers in my Obedience who are "associate members". These are Freemasons who are members of my Obedience and, also, of another. That's interesting, Karen. Do you know whether there is a requirement for that other Obedience to be in fraternal relations with yours? Karen,, may i ask what in co masonry is referred to as an obedience ?
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Post by staffs on May 17, 2007 20:55:19 GMT
i believe that there are a number of ugle masons who have been seen at co masonic meetings!
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Post by staffs on May 17, 2007 21:02:43 GMT
Much in dispute but, in fact, I'm as regular in my Co-Masonic Obedience as any Freemason is in his/her's. So I don't accept the label "irregular". Anyway, I know a number of brothers in my Obedience who are "associate members". These are Freemasons who are members of my Obedience and, also, of another. I dont see why co masonry should be regarded as "irregular" . As to their own members they should regard it as nothing less than "regular" . and to UGLE masons we are of the opinion that our masinry is the "regular" type masonry. I dont have a problem seeing it this way so why cant some people just respect another persons preference, After all are we not ALL brothers ? If i had a step brother he may not be my REAL brother but he would still be my brother. SIMPLE EH ? SORTED !!!!
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Post by billmcelligott on May 17, 2007 21:29:20 GMT
Before you get hot under any colars, this is not me saying this but my pal Mr. Logic.
The two Brethren would have been fully aware they were in breach of UGLE rules on visitation. They chose to do what they did.
Irregular and Unrecognised Grand Lodges
There are some self-styled Masonic bodies that do not meet these standards, e.g. which do not require a belief in a Supreme Being, or which allow or encourage their members to participate as such in political matters. These bodies are recognised by the Grand Lodge of England as being Masonically irregular, and Masonic contact with them is forbidden.
The above so called standard is : Freemasons under its jurisdiction must be men, and it and its Lodges must have no Masonic contact with Lodges which admit women to membership.
To the best of my knowledge the vast majority of the worlds GLs follow UGLE on this.
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Post by giovanni on May 17, 2007 22:04:00 GMT
Karen,, may i ask what in co masonry is referred to as an obedience ? UGLE is an Obedience, GOI is another one. Another word for Grand Lodge. This word was found out in AASR practice; AASR also uses the term "the Scottish pyramid", thus pointing at something which is hierarchically ordered.
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Post by devoutfreemason on May 17, 2007 22:08:10 GMT
*censored* to protect Brothers privacy ;D ;D
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Post by Tamrin on May 17, 2007 23:30:29 GMT
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Post by whistler on May 18, 2007 2:48:33 GMT
Palmereldritch In an ideal world all Freemasons would see themselves as Freemasons - It is not an ideal world and some seek to see themselves as Different and or superior Freemasons. So to answer your question let us pretend we are in an ideal world. When we are initiated, we are initiated into what is called our Mother Lodge. From that point (with certain exceptions depending on our progress in the craft) we are able to visit any other Lodge of Freemasons. We would remain a member of our Mother Lodge for ever unless for some reason we transfered to another Lodge and decided not to remain a member of our Mother Lodge. So we have our Lodge which we are a member of, and are a visitor at all the other lodges, we attend. We may decide that we wish to join one of those lodges for some reason and we could apply to become a joining member, and pay our dues etc -
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Post by Y Mahomed on Jul 16, 2007 19:21:50 GMT
As long as we all masons on the same page right? Though I do think some kind of interaction between these lodges should be accomodated. Dont you
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Post by imakegarb on Jul 16, 2007 22:30:38 GMT
Yup ;D
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Post by penfold on Jul 17, 2007 6:26:15 GMT
As long as we all masons on the same page right? Though I do think some kind of interaction between these lodges should be accomodated. Dont you Hmm - well there is interaction of sorts, not so much at lodge level, but I imagine the various grande fromages co-operate to a greater or lesser extent. Its a bit like saying 'We are all Christians, so how about not burning the protestant heretics at the stake then, Grand Inquisitor?' - nice in theory, and probably happens in a quiet way somewhere...but you dont have to be involved with freemasonry for very long before you see the cracks hidden by the wallpaper.
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Post by Y Mahomed on Jul 17, 2007 21:39:00 GMT
As long as we all masons on the same page right? Though I do think some kind of interaction between these lodges should be accomodated. Dont you Hmm - well there is interaction of sorts, not so much at lodge level, but I imagine the various grande fromages co-operate to a greater or lesser extent. Its a bit like saying 'We are all Christians, so how about not burning the protestant heretics at the stake then, Grand Inquisitor?' - nice in theory, and probably happens in a quiet way somewhere...but you dont have to be involved with freemasonry for very long before you see the cracks hidden by the wallpaper. Surely the GL's should see a benefit in bringing together these very seperate, yet joined at the jugular, orders. I know im not the only one who sees this. Or at least they could accept co-masonry as non-clandestine or regular lodges, just with gender seperation.
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