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Post by tws on Oct 26, 2007 13:25:44 GMT
Antonius, my friend,I don't see where anyone is "discriminating" against you. All I see are people with more life experience and maturity attempting to give you good advice, gained in the school of hard knocks.
Believe it or not, many people have had the same feelings of disjointedness that you are going through. You will eventually come out of it.
The advice you have been given concerning weed is sound. I used to smoke myself in my wild days. As I matured, I saw that the people around me weren't, they simply lived from day to day for nothing other than thier own selfish gratification. I'll tell you one thing that Cannibis will do: it makes you lazy, and complacent with your place in life.
I say this not to condemn, but to impart to you things I know from my own personal experience.
I, and the others here on this forum, only have your best interests at heart.
Escaping from the harsh realities of life does not make them any less harsh, it only makes them worse. Facing up to a situation head-on is the best course of action.
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Post by Antonius on Oct 26, 2007 14:18:27 GMT
its the part where he calls me an addict: Antonius writes -
i assure you, none of my problems are caused by my smoking of cannabis. why would u jump to that conclusion?
How can you possibly be so sure?
the truth is i had these problems long before i touched any joints. its an escape, yes, but i dont see the harm in that.
If you don't see the harm in drug taking why mention it?
anyways quitting cannabis isnt going to change the way i feel about society.
So how is it that you are at interested in FM?
i was born a loner and a rebel and it was evident since pre-school.
[glow=red,2,300]Nope - that's another cop out [/glow]- and Freemasonry is not a rebels nest - you'll feel even more alone in a Lodge.
the problem is most likely ADD.
We all have our problems - what's so special about your's?
i smoke cannabis to get relief from my frustrations
FM is not an escape path from society or from ourselves.
anyways surely you are not suggesting i cannot enjoy cannabis in my private life and be a mason
Yes - that is what is being suggested.
every loge has a bar were alcohol is served
[glow=red,2,300]Yes - but we are not addicted as you seem to be.[/glow]
also what if i want to join, but cant afford the regalia
Stop smoking crap and you will have plenty of money.
[glow=red,2,300]A Freemason's Lodge is not a rehabilitation centre - whatever your problem may be. [/glow]
You got all the 'nice' answers above. This is the hard sell - when you want to get out of your hole you will find heaps of people ready to help. [glow=red,2,300]If you want to remain in your hole[/glow] - good luck. The advice you have been given concerning weed is sound. I used to smoke myself in my wild days. As I matured, I saw that the people around me weren't, they simply lived from day to day for nothing other than thier own selfish gratification. I'll tell you one thing that Cannibis will do: it makes you lazy, and complacent with your place in life. uhm sorry, but your wrong. and you cant compare me to a bunch of people i never met. u have no real proof that cannabis is what made them lazy or immature, its like saying if 3 people with a blue shirt rape some1, then blue shirts must be the cause. that kind of logic just doesnt fly. lets just cut the rethorical bullshit shall we. i happen to know a thing or 2 about cannabis and nothing of what you guys are saying is based in any fact. its just rethoric. do you even know why it is you hold this belief that weed is such a problem causer? do you even understand why you are uncapable of accepting the idea that maybe somewere on this crasy world some1 is actualy anjoying some benifits from this plant? i know me, i know cannabis, and i know how cannabis effects me. and you people are just going to have to deal with the fact that u cant mother me into living what you think is the proper lifestyle. cuz thats what this is about realy. i post a whole list of problems, i mention cannabis only once and not even in the context of a problem, merely as a discription of my personality style, and in jest at that. and we have a whole page with nothing but comments on that one thing, and only way at the end of it is there some1 willing to actualy adress the problems i bring up. so what does that tell me about your true motivation? Escaping from the harsh realities of life does not make them any less harsh, it only makes them worse. Facing up to a situation head-on is the best course of action. there is not a single person in the world capable of this and u damnwell know it. i cant afford to take he private jet to the bahamas dude. i cant afford to go camping, i dont have friends to hang out with and i dont have a car i can travel with. i dont have any bars i can hang out at for more then an hour and i have nothing of that crap, and you do. you escape just as i do, and jut because you use a different vehicle doesnt mean u dont escape.
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Post by penfold on Oct 26, 2007 14:44:11 GMT
Don't mix your j's with tobacco at all? One of the most addictive substances on the planet that little weed. And psychological dependency is still dependency, however, I'm not judging you, or condemning, nor condoning your substance of choice for relaxation, just pointing out that any mind altering substance be it booze, dope or crack is going to stop you getting to the 'real you' - no matter how often your "third eye" gets open by drugs its no substitute for doing it without them.
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Post by Tamrin on Oct 26, 2007 15:22:37 GMT
Believe it or not, many people have had the same feelings of disjointedness that you are going through. Perhaps a bit of dis-joint-edness is what is being advocated Just a reminder, we had a discussion about cannabis earlier in the year. Cannabis aside, while one might conceivably go through the ceremonies of Freemasonry as a virtual loner, one will not experience it. The first of its grand principles is brotherly love—Without a tendency which favours that expression, any esoteric insight will be no better than if one had read of the ceremonies in one of the many and readily available exposures. Indeed, a loner is likely to find the intense group work focused on him or her to be very distasteful.
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Post by Harmony on Oct 26, 2007 16:53:02 GMT
>the best cold reader in the world is not going to get me to take any1's word over my own research. I was suggesting that a clairvoyant may see more than one set of eyes looking out the head of those who use drugs (including prescription and legal drugs) Too many sets of eyes looking out can result in a wide variety of adjustment difficulties Hence the importance for the shamans in dealing with spirit entities before the use of hallucinogens rather than after Cheers Russell WHY? is it customary for people to call eachother junkies in your loge then??? im sorry but i dont take kindly to those kinds of insults and accusations. how is it this guy has the right to accuse me of being addicted and i cant be offended by that? if you dont want to see me agressive, then dont make me agressive by making absurd statements like saying im addicted when ill i ever did is use the word stoner. for your information there is no such thing as cannabis addiction. cannabis does not cause chemical dependancy, thus at the very most one can only ever speak of 'habit', wich is a far cry from addiction indeed. also as i stated i did not give one single hint as to the frequency or degree of my usage, so the entire statement is based on nothing other then prejudice. and here i thought you guys would appreciate honesty. what a fool am i... I'm not sure exactly what you found so annoying in Russells post. I have never found him anything other than polite. I don't understand 95% of what he says, but that is another story... Can I make a suggestion? Calm down. Take a deep breath. Also perhaps think about why you would want to join a fraternal organisation if you are not interested in brotherhood. There may well be other esoteric organisations which would suit you better.
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Post by Harmony on Oct 26, 2007 16:58:15 GMT
Escaping from the harsh realities of life does not make them any less harsh, it only makes them worse. Facing up to a situation head-on is the best course of action. there is not a single person in the world capable of this and u damnwell know it. i cant afford to take he private jet to the bahamas dude. i cant afford to go camping, i dont have friends to hang out with and i dont have a car i can travel with. i dont have any bars i can hang out at for more then an hour and i dont have a wife that will suck my weener for that holy half second of escape during orgasm. i have nothing of that crap, and you do. you escape just as i do, and jut because you use a different vehicle doesnt mean u dont escape. Sorry, this is a serious question. Are you really 33? Because I don't think I have ever met anyone over about the age of 16 with such an immature outlook on life.
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Post by Antonius on Oct 26, 2007 17:27:14 GMT
ok this is starting to become quite insane if you forgive my saying so (and i know u wont). how meny times must i repeat myself before you let it sink in? cannabis is not the cause of my problem, now will any problems go away if i stop smoking. why do you assume (wrongly) that i smoke all the time and never take any breaks? what is it you think you can achieve by showering me with rethoric? how is it i am somehow not entitled to any relief? i smoke weed, yes, and it doesnt make me inferior to a single one of you. in fact it barely means anything at all. where is this anti weed paranoia coming from? cuz thats what it is, not one of you managed to come up with any real argument of substance. and its not even on topic. so stop telling me how to live my life and adress the questions i actualy asked, or leave me alone please. Perhaps a bit of dis-joint-edness is what is being advocated 1: for gods sakes why? its not the cause of my problems, it doesnt cause any additional problems that can be catagorised as anything more then trivial. and its the only thing that can offer me relief without also killing me slowly. i allready told you, the only advice an actual doctor can come up with is to put me on a regiment of ritalin. do you know what that stuff does to people? the only alternative is simply to suffer, and i sont see why i should when i dont have to. certainly none of you have given me any real reason. Just a reminder, we had a discussion about cannabis earlier in the year. i took a quick look on there, and well... pick your battles. Cannabis aside, THANK YOU. while one might conceivably go through the ceremonies of Freemasonry as a virtual loner, one will not experience it. ok thats a good point, the 2nd on in this entire thread. though i am a loner by nature, that doesnt mean i allways want to be alone. and its not the reason im isolated. i became isolated true loosing faith in humanity and interest in the people around me. and so its not my intention to go trough masonry in a solitary fashion. what im saying is i want to connect to people but i dont realy know how. i need to lern to be more patient with people, see the glass as half full, not react so strongly like i did in response to that addict remark. so im kinda looking at masonry as a possible way for me to become less of a loner and lern to deal with people, and ultimatly come to terms with society at large.
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Post by Antonius on Oct 26, 2007 17:31:21 GMT
ok thats just low.
if u want to bait me your going to have to be a little more subtil then that. take a hint from leonardo above, now that is nice and subtil.
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Post by penfold on Oct 26, 2007 17:41:05 GMT
where is this anti weed paranoia coming from? Erm, nobody has said they are anti - simply suggesting that to fully explore one's mind its a good idea to do it 'naked' if you will. Yep, would agree with that. Not sure that masonry is the right path for that discovery. One thing to understand is that there is an awful lot of recent research into the psychoactive effects of cannabis, and it has suggested that those with an underlying mental health issue will find their symptoms excacerbated by the use of the stronger strains. As to your useage pattern we can only go by what you have given us, calling yourself a stoner suggests its a regular habit, not an occasional one. There are a few of us on here, your age group, who have more than a passing familiarity with Jah 'erb, so please, do not take discussion on it as negative, its simply discussion. Now, chill.....
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Post by Tamrin on Oct 26, 2007 19:56:40 GMT
Perhaps a bit of dis-joint-edness is what is being advocated 1: for gods sakes why? its not the cause of my problems, it doesnt cause any additional problems that can be catagorised as anything more then trivial. and its the only thing that can offer me relief without also killing me slowly. i allready told you, the only advice an actual doctor can come up with is to put me on a regiment of ritalin. do you know what that stuff does to people? the only alternative is simply to suffer, and i sont see why i should when i dont have to. certainly none of you have given me any real reason. Sorry, bad pun (as I intended to indicate by the emoticon " ") BTW, the 'reminder' about the earlier conversation was in the context of the direction this discussion had already taken and was intended to be for the benefit of those who were around at the time. If 'loner' describes your personality more than merely your circumstances, please bear-in-mind that Freemasonry is very much a human institution. You are not likely to find most Masons are any more likable than most people in the wider community. Nor is Freemasonry well suited to assist in such a fundamental personality change, as it would be a barrier to yourself and others in the sort of ineffable guidance in which the Craft excels.
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Post by jmd on Oct 27, 2007 12:32:56 GMT
I suspect that the focus has turned on the use of cannibis for a number of reasons, two of which are that in the locations where most of us live, it is illegal and deemed (at least officially) unsafe; and the other because we have not the socially acceptable means by which to partake of the drug in a manner that is the equivalent of drinking a glass of wine with a meal (rather than getting drunk, which is equally generally unacceptable).
This aspect is bound to raise the concern amongst many of us, in a similar way to someone presenting what appears (correctly or incorrectly interpreted) as drinking to excess (or using any other non-medically prescribed consciousness-altering substance).
If you are genuinely interested in Freemasonry, why not contact a local Lodge and discuss the matter with local members. Remember that part and parcel of Freemasonry includes the social context. And even esoteric work, for that matter, requires that one works in harmony with others - at times not as easy to do as may seem.
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Post by devoutfreemason on Oct 30, 2007 4:46:20 GMT
I have zero problem with you smoking pot. IMHO it is not good to be consumed with pot or any other drug, but recreational use is not an evil thing IMHO.
Also, IMHO you need to grow a little bit before you start seriously thinking of joing a lodge. Believe me, a lot of your opinions about life. society and people will simply change with age and experiance. freemasonry has a great flame to shed on you, but right now you are a wet log, unable to recieve the spark.
I was the biggest rebel in the world. I partied hard , got into a ton of fights and was a self styled anarchist. Guess what? I was a kid for crying out loud (and a wet log, I had to dry out) and that is what I suspect you are also going through.
Learn, learn and learn. Start reading as much as you possibly can. Try Eastern Philosophy and really apply it's teaching to your life. Join an Aikido dojo.
In fifteen years, when you are ready knock and the door shall be opened.
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Post by vtmason on Oct 30, 2007 16:05:52 GMT
I have zero problem with you smoking pot. IMHO it is not good to be consumed with pot or any other drug, but recreational use is not an evil thing IMHO. Also, IMHO you need to grow a little bit before you start seriously thinking of joing a lodge. Believe me, a lot of your opinions about life. society and people will simply change with age and experiance. freemasonry has a great flame to shed on you, but right now you are a wet log, unable to recieve the spark. I was the biggest rebel in the world. I partied hard , got into a ton of fights and was a self styled anarchist. Guess what? I was a kid for crying out loud (and a wet log, I had to dry out) and that is what I suspect you are also going through. Learn, learn and learn. Start reading as much as you possibly can. Try Eastern Philosophy and really apply it's teaching to your life. Join an Aikido dojo. In fifteen years, when you are ready knock and the door shall be opened. I agree with Brad. (Did I just write that?)
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Post by devoutfreemason on Oct 30, 2007 16:38:43 GMT
I have zero problem with you smoking pot. IMHO it is not good to be consumed with pot or any other drug, but recreational use is not an evil thing IMHO. Also, IMHO you need to grow a little bit before you start seriously thinking of joing a lodge. Believe me, a lot of your opinions about life. society and people will simply change with age and experiance. freemasonry has a great flame to shed on you, but right now you are a wet log, unable to recieve the spark. I was the biggest rebel in the world. I partied hard , got into a ton of fights and was a self styled anarchist. Guess what? I was a kid for crying out loud (and a wet log, I had to dry out) and that is what I suspect you are also going through. Learn, learn and learn. Start reading as much as you possibly can. Try Eastern Philosophy and really apply it's teaching to your life. Join an Aikido dojo. In fifteen years, when you are ready knock and the door shall be opened. I agree with Brad. (Did I just write that?) Feels good doesn't it? ;D
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Post by imakegarb on Oct 30, 2007 22:12:31 GMT
ahhh finaly an earnest reply, thxz dude i needed that I'm glad you recognize Bro. Leo is replying to you in earnest. However, in fairness, you've received nothing but earnest replies. What is being posted here may not be what you want to hear but I think the posts are earnest, and caring. Thing is, we're getting to a point where you seem more interested in being provocative than engaging in constructive soul searching. If that's the case, then I think you'll soon find yourself quite alone. I'm hoping it's otherwise with you. Take care.
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Post by Antonius on Nov 17, 2007 20:48:36 GMT
yeah look sorry for being rude n all, but u guys have no idea how meny times i have had this conversation. its this whole uninformed 'omg how could you' kneejerk response that gets to me, because it know it is not based on any real information. I'll tell you one thing that Cannibis will do: it makes you lazy, and complacent with your place in life this is not true at all. some of the hardest workers i know are stoners. as for complacency, i am anything but complacent about my place in life. what weed does is take away illusions that make one think that status and material wealth are worth anything in the big picture. wich does indeed undermine ambition and is a general neusance to a society with an obsessive compulsive disorder about production. anyways, you guys still dont understand me much. i may not be a mason, but im definetly not a kid nor a wet log. in fact, i would not be here if the log were not at least partialy lit... nevertheless, i think i have the anwer to my question. now all i need is a job...
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Post by tonym on Dec 11, 2007 18:32:36 GMT
Not to derail the thread, but I have a suggestion. Antonius, Perhaps we could try an experiment. You argue that cannabis has nothing to do with your present state, so prove it to us. Go out, get a job and stop smoking. When you have worked and not smoked for a month, we'll see if there has been any change. The self-discipline it would require might also do you good. And for the record, I have no opinion as to the affect cannabis may or may not have on your current state as I don't have enough information. Tony
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Post by leonardo on Jan 4, 2008 14:52:12 GMT
Hi shadeemohd and welcome to the forum. It's best to start your own thread if you wish to ask specific questions, and also bare in mind it's not a good idea to saturate the forum with the same post in other threads ( which have been deleted, by the way) as doing so might give members the impression you're a troll
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Post by waynecowley on Jan 7, 2008 14:38:59 GMT
shadeemohd
In accordance with Leo's request, I have removed your duplicate postings in other threads
One of the problems you are going to face in contacting Grand Lodges in other countries is that they usually do not have lodges operating elsewhere (there are a few exeptions but that is the general rule)
Are you able to travel to a country where freemasonry operates?
Wayne
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Post by waynecowley on Jan 9, 2008 16:23:17 GMT
Not yet - I haven't got access to my personal e-mails when in work and was out at lodge last night
I will read it at home tonight if it has arrived
Wayne
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