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Post by whistler on Nov 23, 2006 1:10:55 GMT
Maat, With respect that is your understanding - yes we are introduced to the elementals, some Co-masons will attach totally different thoughts on that part of our ritual - It is wise to be cautious when commenting and a good idea to make clear when things are your interpretation - HGW ...which is why I said 'just my thoughts'... (but gleaned from a few notable persons from the past..) I am aware to what you allude - that is why I was being cautious. Agreed some Masons will attach a different meaning to those I expressed. That is the beauty of the no dogma approach of Freemasonry. Anyway we are talking Alchemy here so far as I can see ... Maat Psst - have you ever seen any elementals? Maat, I use them all the time. our relationship with them can be very handy when trying to light a fire, or having lost something in the garden. Go for a walk in the bush - sit down and focus gently and you will be surprise who you will be aware of
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Post by maat on Nov 23, 2006 1:52:04 GMT
;D Had my suspicions. How wonderful!
Unfortunately I have not attained my wish in this area - so I am going to follow up on your directions..... never, ever give up is my motto.
Three of our Brn are so gifted - and I just love to hear their stories.
Maat
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Post by ariel on Nov 23, 2006 2:41:55 GMT
I believe there is an elemental in Leep Castle (Ireland). Oh, not the same sort though.
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Post by 2 BOWL CAIN on Nov 23, 2006 14:55:03 GMT
Any info on use of the CoR, any prepatory words or discussion for the candidatebefore entering? Any discussion afterwards of what the candidate saw and contemplated on? ETC....anything to help the modern american male raised on TV and hollywood for the most part. Not sure how much they would get from the CoR without pre and post education of the CoR? Any info would be appreciated. Brother TC
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Post by Okunnurleitandi on Nov 24, 2006 9:22:38 GMT
We use the chamber of reflection in every degree. In the first degree, the candidate enters the room from the north (darkness). The room is all black, with no markings on the walls. All that is in the room is a chair, a small table, a bible open at the beginning of the Book of John and a candle. High upon a wall, hidden in shadows are chain and shackles. Which sometime during the period the candidate is in the room dropped into a metal basket below. The candidate is visited three times during his stay in the room and is asked to reaffirm his willingness go forward and other different things. One of this visit is by his proposers. The candidate leaves the room to the west, which is very symbolic in regards to the rest of his journey.
If you have the opportunity, use the chamber of reflection. It is a very powerful tool, with a lot of symbolism.
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Post by 2 BOWL CAIN on Nov 24, 2006 12:17:10 GMT
Thank you Brother! Is there any discussions with the candidate about the CoR either before or afterwards?
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Post by Okunnurleitandi on Nov 25, 2006 23:06:16 GMT
No, it is a personal experience. Actually very scary in the first degree, but in later degrees more a mood setter for the experience.
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Post by munkholt on Nov 26, 2006 8:43:15 GMT
My wife said that to her it had been very grounding (pun intended). The whole thing leading up having been hectic and busy, this served as a calming moment.
But I agree with Steinarr that the way we do it in Swedish rite is more of shocker.
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Post by 2 BOWL CAIN on Nov 26, 2006 12:30:08 GMT
"But I agree with Steinarr that the way we do it in Swedish rite is more of shocker. " could you elaborate, please.
I have the ability to start implementing one into our lodge and am looking for as much views and practices of this as I can.
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Post by munkholt on Nov 26, 2006 12:45:13 GMT
I think it's better to go to PM -- I'll send you a few lines later tonight.
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Post by imakegarb on Mar 22, 2007 4:35:31 GMT
Gio!! Tonight, for the I-don't-know-how-manyth time, I've copied the link to this thread and sent it onto a brother of mine. I wanted to let you know how important this article you wrote is to so many. Thank you. I'm also wondering if you've read Albert Pike’s “Esoteric Work of the 1st through 3rd degree, According to the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite’ and the bits about the CoR there? If not, I've got something very cool to send you in PM ;D
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Post by lihin on Mar 22, 2007 8:48:13 GMT
Greetings Sisters and Brethren, Let us recall that, as far as the history known to yours truly is correct and relevant, the AASR when it was first exported from France to the USofA via Santo Domingo at the end of the 18th century, was a pure system of high grades and had no craft degrees of its own. When re-imported into France from the USofA at the very beginning of the 19th century, the AASR quickly developed its own craft degrees. Shortly after those of the Rite today referred to as Traditional French, the rituals of the AASR craft degrees were published in 1804 as Guide des Maçons écossais. Here they are: Le rituel des anciens ou Edition 6004 du guide des maçons écossais[/url] As far as rituals are concerned, the general tendency in continental Europe FM now appears to be towards restitution of the 18th century versions and, generally, more care and attention to rituals as such. Obviously, this tendency does not please those accustomed to (ab)using the initiatic Order of FM as a mere social and business relationship club. IMHO some of the first questions to ask when examining points of ritual are: Which Rite, which ritual, which language, which date?
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Post by naphesh on Mar 22, 2007 11:28:05 GMT
IMHO some of the first questions to ask when examining points of ritual are: Which Rite, which ritual, which language, which date?The first question I ask is; "Does it make sense?" For surely if you cannot make sense of it all the rest is irrellevant? This could perhaps be the best way to explain Esoteric, there are some who will be able to make sense of it and others that wont. There is always the Bar! Or on this forum the space under the table!
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Post by imakegarb on Mar 22, 2007 13:42:22 GMT
Y'know, it's only 6:30 a.m. here. But I just knooooow it's 5 p.m. somwhere. Under Ma'at's table is a great place ;D
I don't think one has to make sense of everything right away for it to be relevant. A newly born baby cannot at all see all the lights and colors that it will see later and yet those lights and colors (and more) are there.
So it is in the CoR. Quite frankly, I did not physically see in my C* all of the elements described in Gio's article. That is, they were not in manifestation placed in my chamber. And yet I am coming to understand all these elements, and more, were indeed there. And even now, I can't make sense of it all. But I know there's every possibility that I might. And so I continue . . .
Another round?
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Post by lihin on Mar 22, 2007 14:41:09 GMT
Greetings Sisters and Brethren,
May I suggest that, somehow, everything makes sense?
It may be a matter of finding the adequate perspective.
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Post by lihin on Mar 22, 2007 14:46:21 GMT
do european lodges use a chamber of reflection for blue lodges? if so, anything like what giovanni laid out before us? Yes, similar but not identical. Brother Giovanni is quite correct in referring to a chamber, not to a cabinet, although in practice the chamber is IMHO incorrectly sometimes reduced to cabinet size. The craft (blue) Lodges and borders of aprons are red in the AASR. In all other Rites, as far as yours truly knows, they are indeed blue. Has anyone precise information on the "why" of this colour choice in the AASR?
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 22, 2007 20:44:46 GMT
The craft (blue) Lodges and borders of aprons are red in the AASR. In all other Rites, as far as yours truly knows, they are indeed blue. Has anyone precise information on the "why" of this colour choice in the AASR? I suspect lihin may be getting confused with the Mark° (York Rite), with Stewards' Lodges or with the 18°. As far as I know, in jurisdictions where an AASR obedience conducts Craft degrees (e.g. Co-Masonry) the regalia is edged in dark blue, as below.
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Post by giovanni on Mar 22, 2007 21:28:49 GMT
Not in Italy, Phil.
See the picture of gasgas
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 22, 2007 22:24:28 GMT
Not in Italy, Phil. See the picture of gasgas Bro. GioI would appreciate being directed to the picture of "gasgas" (a Google image search flashes up thousands of motorbike images).
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Post by giovanni on Mar 23, 2007 7:56:41 GMT
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