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Post by tws on Dec 18, 2007 19:28:29 GMT
Asking pointed questions should not be thought of as picking on someone. That you choose to see it that way is a personal issue. And, I will post where ever I want and on whatever subject I wish. You will get zero replies from me, I have nothing to say to you. Good Luck, Brad You just resonded to me twice. Good luck with that victimhood.
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Post by Tamrin on Dec 18, 2007 19:28:34 GMT
Bro Wayne, thanks for the info. Can you find out the correct name for me of these as I would like to buy a set for my flat. I'll have a look next time I am there but it may be a while as I don't go to the Cardiff lodges very often (even though I work in town) due to the problems in parking etc Wayne
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Post by Tamrin on Dec 18, 2007 19:42:25 GMT
Bro. Steve, no setimental tosh from me. As a licenced and trained Security Officer, I would draw my licensed Beretta 9mm and order him to drop his weapon, if he did not comply, and continued the assult, or threatened me, I would shoot until he stopped. If he dies as a result, too bad. This is not an area of law to which I have paid much attention. However, my understanding of Australian law at least, is that one may only respond with what is vaguely termed "equivalent force." Using a gun on someone wielding a piece of wood might be deemed "excessive force." A couple of years ago we saw a security guard charged with murder for shooting a man who had attacked her with a knuckleduster.
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 18, 2007 19:50:42 GMT
Bro. Brad I honestly can not agree with your interpretation here.
The thread is about a group of mainstream Freemasons who have been titled the Flying Monkeys. Theron explained in his article.
Now I felt that Bro's Steve and Karen were a bit dismissive of the article, So my example given by Pastor Martin Niemöller. Was in fact as a reply to first Steve and then Karens posts.
In other words if you do not accept responsibility when bullying of any kind is there to be seen then what is the work in the Masonic Temple all about.
Now they may not agree with my viewpoint, that's OK, but it was nothing to do with any actual or reported group of Freemasons and certainly nothing to do with Freemasons in general. And nothing is pointed at you at all.
This centers around Theron being accused and me come to that of aiding and abetting and supporting You and Jeff and the other so called breakaway Freemasonry. So I have no idea why you would be annoyed with either of us.
We are being put in the same basket as you Karen and Steve, by the Flying monkeys.
Wrong Freemasonry.
You need to get to grips with the facts of what is happening.
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Post by tws on Dec 18, 2007 19:55:02 GMT
Bro. Steve, no setimental tosh from me. As a licenced and trained Security Officer, I would draw my licensed Beretta 9mm and order him to drop his weapon, if he did not comply, and continued the assult, or threatened me, I would shoot until he stopped. If he dies as a result, too bad. This is not an area of law to which I have paid much attention. However, my understanding of Australian law at least, is that one may only respond with what is vaguely termed "equivalent force." Using a gun on someone wielding a piece of wood might be deemed "excessive force." A couple of years ago we saw a security guard charged with murder for shooting a man who had attacked her with a knuckleduster. It would be considered legitimate self defense. The individual would be committing Felony Assault, and deadly force is justified to save one's life, or the life of another that is in mortal peril. An object such as a 2 x 4, a bat, an axe handle, are all considered deadly weapons. If it were a knuckle duster, there is pepper spray and the baton that would be more appropriate to the situation.
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Post by imakegarb on Dec 18, 2007 19:57:44 GMT
(Karen rereads, tries to clear her addled head; doesn't succeed). If confusion were cornflakes, this thread would be General Mills
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Post by tws on Dec 18, 2007 20:03:04 GMT
(Karen rereads, tries to clear her addled head; doesn't succeed). If confusion were cornflakes, this thread would be General Mills No doubt!
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Post by devoutfreemason on Dec 18, 2007 20:07:04 GMT
Bro. Brad I honestly can not agree with your interpretation here. The thread is about a group of mainstream Freemasons who have been titled the Flying Monkeys. Theron explained in his article. Now I felt that Bro's Steve and Karen were a bit dismissive of the article, So my example given by Pastor Martin Niemöller. Was in fact as a reply to first Steve and then Karens posts. In other words if you do not accept responsibility when bullying of any kind is there to be seen then what is the work in the Masonic Temple all about. Now they may not agree with my viewpoint, that's OK, but it was nothing to do with any actual or reported group of Freemasons and certainly nothing to do with Freemasons in general. And nothing is pointed at you at all. This centers around Theron being accused and me come to that of aiding and abetting and supporting You and Jeff and the other so called breakaway Freemasonry. So I have no idea why you would be annoyed with either of us. We are being put in the same basket as you Karen and Steve, by the Flying monkeys. Wrong Freemasonry. You need to get to grips with the facts of what is happening. Anyone accusing either Theron or you of "aiding,abetting or supporting" me must be blind. In fact, you own and he moderates on a forum where bashing of myself and others is common. In fact, I remember seeing more times than I care to recount when Theron and the like run over to that forum to pat each other on the back regarding thier bashing behaviour. Still, your post was offensive. It is not up to you to tell me what I do and do not find offensive. IT is up to you to act like a man and apologize. On another note: Lauderdale I nominate you as the official MFOL Freemason of the year!! You are one of the best eMasons I have had the pleasure to interact with. Keep up the good work. ;D ;D ;D Thanks, Brad
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Post by lauderdale on Dec 18, 2007 20:19:46 GMT
Bro TWS, over here unfortunately our Laws have a far softer approach to felons. We are only allowed to use reasonable force whatever that may be.
Now let's look at these examples. Felon One- works out in the gym, bench presses, fit, active. Felon Two a fat man in poor physcial condition or some skinny underweight kid. They break into your house or business premises. A punch in the guts or a knee in the gonads will probably bring down Fatso or Junior, but Mr Muscle will need a lot more force to incapacitate him , (I am assuming a UK scenario no handguns unlike the USA). However if you use your baton and the Strongman gets injured badly enough then it is YOU likely to be in the Dock as much as him! There are documented cases of the householder being the one prosecuted if he hurt the burglar!
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Post by lauderdale on Dec 18, 2007 20:20:53 GMT
Thank you Bro Brad!
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Post by lauderdale on Dec 18, 2007 20:23:19 GMT
Bro Tamrin, thanks for the info on the pictures. I may well buy them for that source!
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 18, 2007 20:31:33 GMT
Brad I am not about to apologise.
Does anyone ever bother to actually read what people write or is the mind closed before the keyboard is open.
Bro, Steve is most certainly a one of the most prolific of Masonic Forum posters and deserves all the trophies you would like to heap upon him. . Perhaps you would consider donating a Cup or Trophy.
I make no difference to me what you think of me Brad I will still defend your right to tell me I am wrong. But there re limits and you know the rules as well as anyone.
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Post by devoutfreemason on Dec 18, 2007 20:38:45 GMT
Brad I am not about to apologise. Does anyone ever bother to actually read what people write or is the mind closed before the keyboard is open. Bro, Steve is most certainly a one of the most prolific of Masonic Forum posters and deserves all the trophies you would like to heap upon him. . Perhaps you would consider donating a Cup or Trophy. I make no difference to me what you think of me Brad I will still defend your right to tell me I am wrong. But there re limits and you know the rules as well as anyone. Bill, Thank you for the reply, it speaks volumes. Also, please do not spend energy to defend me. You and I are not friends so I would hate to think you would waste energy that would not be returned. Brad
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Post by tws on Dec 18, 2007 20:43:06 GMT
Bro TWS, over here unfortunately our Laws have a far softer approach to felons. We are only allowed to use reasonable force whatever that may be. Now let's look at these examples. Felon One- works out in the gym, bench presses, fit, active. Felon Two a fat man in poor physcial condition or some skinny underweight kid. They break into your house or business premises. A punch in the guts or a knee in the gonads will probably bring down Fatso or Junior, but Mr Muscle will need a lot more force to incapacitate him , (I am assuming a UK scenario no handguns unlike the USA). However if you use your baton and the Strongman gets injured badly enough then it is YOU likely to be in the Dock as much as him! There are documented cases of the householder being the one prosecuted if he hurt the burglar! That is truely sad. I have read of some of the cases of UK citizens being prosecuted for defending themselves. Self defense, as far as I am concerned, is a fundamental right. That's one reason we have the Second Amendment to the US Constitution: "A well regulated militia, being nessessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
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Post by therondunn on Dec 18, 2007 21:07:31 GMT
You seem to be going out of your way to be offended. Bro. Bill was simply offering that he would not countanence any person to be bullied. He would not passively stand by while anyone, regular, irregular, or Martian, was under vebal or physical attack. Speaking out against an unjust situation should in no way be construed to be somehow offensive. This piece is commonly used to illustrate the futility of passivity in the face of escalating intolerance. I would appreciate it if you would live up to your word in another thread and stop posting in my direction. Thanks, Brad Brad, ..... you really cannot see that I am SUPPORTING "irregular" and "clandestine" masons in this instant? Perhaps instead of seeking to be offended by one and all, you might .... maybe, READ the post? I am speaking out here against the regular masons that would try to force other masons, through bullying tactics, NOT acknowledge non regular masons as brothers. Take breath dude.
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Post by wayseer on Dec 18, 2007 21:20:39 GMT
Taking a deep breath - well, actually, Bro Theron, I thought you were advancing your own calling. Must be the light or something - words just don't seem to have the familiar ring to them as they once did.
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Post by lauderdale on Dec 18, 2007 22:09:29 GMT
"Bro, Steve is most certainly a one of the most prolific of Masonic Forum posters and deserves all the trophies you would like to heap upon him. . Perhaps you would consider donating a Cup or Trophy."Perhaps Bro Bill might present me with one of his famous Teddy Bears?
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 18, 2007 22:44:31 GMT
I have a large number of Flying Monkeys I would like to donate somewhere.
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Post by imakegarb on Dec 18, 2007 22:58:47 GMT
K, mod hat on here.
Bro. Brad, you took offence where none was intended. You've given it plenty of voice and I think it needs no more air time than that.
Everyone else who intended no offense, that you intended no offence has, likewise, been given plenty of voice.
So this part of the thread need be voiced no further and the rest of the thread should be allowed to continue, if that's what folks here want, unencumbered.
Any further posts on the offence taken/taken part of this thread will be deleted.
Move along.
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Post by therondunn on Dec 19, 2007 14:26:58 GMT
Good call, Karen.
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