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Post by Antonius on Apr 4, 2008 1:32:12 GMT
I ran across this wile shopping: Cufflinksit seems kind of strange to me to see the masonic symbol and the word guinnes combined on a cufflink...
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Post by imakegarb on Apr 4, 2008 4:04:48 GMT
Maybe that's what they're drinking ;D I'm pondering this at EBay just now: 1920s Vintage Masonic Pocket WatchNow I soooooo don't need a pocket watch. But this one is rather cool . . .
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Post by leonardo on Apr 4, 2008 7:01:48 GMT
Oh no! Now everyone will know what the G is really for ;d
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Post by penfold on Apr 4, 2008 10:57:59 GMT
Not sure why one would feel it is strange, as far as I know nobody owns the copyright to using the square & compasses, in any configuration, and ultimately they aren't unique to freemasonry. They are symbols used by freemasonry, but not 'just' freemasonry.
If that makes sense.
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Post by Antonius on Apr 5, 2008 8:44:52 GMT
i dunno, its just the combination of masonry and beer that makes me feel like there must be some kind of story behind these things,
maybe an irish cork loge...
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Post by leonardo on Apr 5, 2008 16:33:37 GMT
i dunno, its just the combination of masonry and beer that makes me feel like there must be some kind of story behind these things, maybe an irish cork loge... Do you think only Irish Masons drink Guinness?
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Post by imakegarb on Apr 5, 2008 18:41:01 GMT
Let's find out. Roll call!! *I* drink Guinness ;D But I don't really need the cufflinks, y'know? I got buttons on my sleeves
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Post by lauderdale on Apr 5, 2008 18:47:45 GMT
Ok, have a number of sets of Masonic Cufflinks for the various Masonic Orders and Degrees I am in.
Hate Guinness! then again I have a very sweet tooth and can drink a sweet stout with no great problem.
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Post by devoutfreemason on Apr 11, 2008 15:25:38 GMT
Love Guiness, very much. Have drank enough of the "vitamin G" to feed a third world nation ;D
On another note that pocket watch is damned awesome, but I doubt it is from the 1920's.
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Post by freimaurer45 on Apr 11, 2008 17:55:26 GMT
I'd love to see it close up, but it very well could be from the 1920's. What would indicate to you that it wasn't? The face is an old design, but the body may be newer. It's hard to tell but it's not out of the question that it's an antique; many designs from that era resemble this watch. However without examining the watch, it could be a very nice replica.
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Post by imakegarb on Apr 11, 2008 18:34:50 GMT
I do rather like it but I think it odd it got no bids. I've thought about contacting the seller but . . . I think I'll think on it a while
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Post by hopefulmason on Nov 21, 2008 15:20:50 GMT
Never tried Guiness.....I think I have a reason to now!....lol
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 21, 2008 23:31:32 GMT
Oh dear! There would be a lot of little businesses etc who make Regalia and Masonic trinkets of various types who could be in trouble if this was ever followed up in a Court of Law. Somehow I think such a case would be thrown out, at least in an English Court, as the Symbol of the S & Q, with or without the G would be considered part of the general cultural symbolism much as the Cross could not be copyrighted by the Roman Catholic Church, not that I think that body would wish to.
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 22, 2008 9:11:19 GMT
Now how would a book about Freemasonry be affected, if in anyway, by this? I have often seen these with the S&Q on the front and it has been this that has caught my attention sometimes leading to my buying the book. Would the publishers or author who may well not be Freemasons themselves have to seek the permission of the Grand Lodge in their country or even pay a royalty to use this image?
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Post by chrispt on Dec 25, 2008 8:44:02 GMT
Are we not to refrain from using the sign outsite lodge in any form? "i will not mark, carve, endight or otherwise them diliniate that which may be inteligable to our bretren or the otherwise uninstructed world" para Sorry, playing devils advocate for a second, i have a Masonic ring and wear tie pins etc. love the stuff
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Post by corab on Dec 25, 2008 13:05:06 GMT
I know Guinness can do mighty strange stuff, but the last I checked the S&C weren't secret!
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 25, 2008 22:01:58 GMT
Is it not really a question of protection of the integrity of the symbol.
If a Company put a square and compass on a loaf of bread, I suspect there would be an objection.
However if a company puts a square and compass on a Masonic ring, well if they did not it would not be a Masonic ring would it, and it would not be a publication if it is made a certain size for a certain person.
Plus if you go to Letchworths shop[Freemasons Hall London] you will find Masonic rings being sold the same ones I sell, so they would have to explain why it is OK for Letchworths to sell them and not other people.
So there is a difference between using the symbol for personal gain [sign on loaf of bread] and a symbol on an item which is for Masonic use.
So any copyright I would suggest, is to protect the integrity of the symbol.
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