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Post by maat on Mar 18, 2008 22:56:53 GMT
Not at all, Synchronicity... I have just wrapped your Easter Egg and planted it in the Esoteric - Non Masonic area (even though it is quite masonic ) Enjoy. Maat
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Post by synchronicity on Mar 19, 2008 10:08:09 GMT
Not at all, Synchronicity... I have just wrapped your Easter Egg and planted it in the Esoteric - Non Masonic area (even though it is quite masonic ) Enjoy. Maat Maat, I can't find that Easter Egg... Did I look in the wrong place? Oh, in the meantime I have found AE Waite's exposé of Taxil's hoax, so I've posted it in the Articles section. staffs.proboards37.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=articles&thread=1205921255
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Post by cossy3487 on Jul 14, 2008 14:33:03 GMT
hmm no not as a condition of entry. we all worship who we choose to. as a christian i believe that if we all allowed the spirit into us without fear then masonry and christianity could be one and the same thing. for my brother muslims, and jews the same applies. if you are a good freemason then you would fit in any of these good religions and probably in many i know nothing about. God is God. he/she is above all earthly definitions. sorry to be so basic but there ya go.
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Post by imakegarb on Jul 14, 2008 19:03:17 GMT
Ah, Cossy, I see you found the cellar ;D
A little further below is where we keep the wine but we don't talk there, just fetch bottles to be served in the pub under Ma'at table (have you found that yet?).
This place is for the antiMasons, when they turn up. They do, on occasion, though they don't stay long. I'm not sure why as it's really comfy here. Bro. Bod did a wonderful job with the chintz curtains and Bro. Bill found the furniture in some of the best import stores in London. I picked out the brass Baphomet that hangs over the fireplace ;D
Anyway, please do keep looking around. You never know what you'll find ;D
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Post by cosmicthought on Aug 16, 2008 5:11:15 GMT
There is know book in the world older than your soul ,so why don't you meditate on it!
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Post by ruffashlar on Mar 9, 2009 16:02:45 GMT
The only evil lies within ourselves.
Possibly the most profound thing anyone has ever written.
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Post by penfold on Mar 10, 2009 0:51:23 GMT
Other than of course Iron Maiden The evil that men do lives on and on....
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Post by paulh on Mar 10, 2009 2:31:11 GMT
Synchro
It is fair to say that the human mind is a place of contest for light (in-breath) and dark (out-breath) forces and that sets the stage for many individual minds to be the targets of good and evil entities.
Thus we can see that balance between light and darkness is required. Whether a balance is required between good and evil is a more complex question not easily resolved in abstraction.
For most humans the mental battle is finally transcended by access to heart functions. Thus eventually mind exists within love - our God (of the solar system) being a god of love.
The issue of which were the real characters in Genesis is localised in time and space and less a constraint for the human who aspires to a role in the temple in the heavens and by that learning to transcend space and time.
So there are two pressing tasks for the aspiring human (as most brethren are). The first is to bring emotions under control and the second is to bring the mental processes under control. Both battles are accelerated by due access to heart functions.
Masons practice heart functions such as brotherly love and tolerance - often at the festive board.
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Post by edward on Aug 2, 2009 3:00:47 GMT
if you read morals and dogma, specifically the 28, and 32 chapters you will find that freemasonry as expressed by albert pike is lucifer worship, it is a religion, i will dig up all the quotes if any one contests what im saying.... i still cant believe how many masons preform the rituals of the scottish rite without having ever really read morals and dogma, or read it superficially, it takes timeless amount of study and really have to pay close attention to how certain ideas are presented seriously read this book: www.amazon.com/Persecution-Art-Writing-Leo-Strauss/dp/0226777111Persecution and the Art of Writing it explains how to read esoteric philosophy.
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Post by lauderdale on Aug 2, 2009 4:58:30 GMT
Ah yes Edward, the (in)famous "Morals and Dogma" by Albert Pike, beloved of anti-Masons and almost their "Bible" for quotes to use against Freemasonry.
I understand that Pike's book is quite popular in the USA but here in Britain it is hardly known. Ask the average Mason here about "Morals and Dogma" and you would get a puzzled look and "You what?" as a reply. I have tried to read it and found it heavy going, almost as boring a Karl Marx's "Das Kapital" or Spicer and Pegler's "Book Keeping and Accounts", and I am very deeply interested in the Esoteric and Mystical side of Freemasonry. Most British Brethren neither know nor care about Albert Pike or his works. He is not usually considered to be an "Authority" on Freemasonry on this side of the Pond.
Incidentally I am in the A&ASR (18th degree) and it is a very Christian Order indeed. I have yet to find any reference to worshiping Lucifer in it.
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Post by edward on Aug 2, 2009 19:55:35 GMT
i am not an anti mason and morals and dogma is my favorite philosophy book by far.
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Post by exodiousblackcloud on Sept 8, 2009 3:11:45 GMT
im lucifers brother nivag pronounced (knee-vaug) and these guys do worship lucifer trust me, higher ranking members are allowed to develop a personal relationship sorry guys.
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Post by paulh on Sept 8, 2009 4:18:05 GMT
im lucifers brother.....trust me I am not sure I do trust you these guys do worship lucifer .....higher ranking members are allowed to develop a personal relationship I like to think that I have reasonably developed metaphysical identification and measurements skills but I have to say that from all the Masons I have met from higher degrees none have shown more than the usual darkness that hangs around humans. So I wonder where you have found these brethren you refer to Of course dark entities are well known for not being truthful - see for example the problems had by spiritualists in the 19th century with "lying spirits" So I wonder where you learned to identify and measure dark entities so that you can distinguish Lucifer from the myriad of dark species that seek human contact
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Post by paulh on Sept 12, 2009 0:33:38 GMT
I suppose OdiousBlack has moved on.
I was rather looking forward to discussing how he identifies the various dark entities he encounters. I do hope for his sake that he does not rely on their assurances.
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Post by terrible on Sept 13, 2009 13:44:59 GMT
In Matthew, Christ was led by the Spirit to be tested by the devil. Ultimately, it appears that even Satan serves the greater Good.
Some just prefer to be chained to illusion and fear.
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Post by leonardo on Sept 13, 2009 18:58:51 GMT
In Matthew, Christ was led by the Spirit to be tested by the devil. Ultimately, it appears that even Satan serves the greater Good. Some just prefer to be chained to illusion and fear. I always understood [Biblically] that Satan only exists because it is the will of God. "His will be done." from the Lord's prayer. So, yes, from this perspective Satan exists because he is thought to serve a purpose.
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Post by paulh on Sept 13, 2009 22:32:32 GMT
The concept of Satan may be embedded in the broader construct of Tsimtsum "tsimtsum is used to designate centrifugal and centripetal motion, expansion and contraction, which under the direction of the supreme of the Sephiroth brought forth and maintains the universe." www.experiencefestival.com/a/Tsimtsum/id/195550
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Post by whistler on Sept 14, 2009 19:03:56 GMT
No - Freemasons are not required to worshop anything
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Post by middlepillar on Sept 21, 2009 8:43:52 GMT
I have just deleted the last two posts on this subject. Totally irrellevant to the subject. If anyone wants to play sarcasm on any topic it will be deleted.
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Post by letterorhalveit3 on Nov 24, 2009 21:02:55 GMT
if you read morals and dogma, specifically the 28, and 32 chapters you will find that freemasonry as expressed by albert pike is lucifer worship, it is a religion, i will dig up all the quotes if any one contests what im saying.... i still cant believe how many masons preform the rituals of the scottish rite without having ever really read morals and dogma, or read it superficially, it takes timeless amount of study and really have to pay close attention to how certain ideas are presented seriously read this book: www.amazon.com/Persecution-Art-Writing-Leo-Strauss/dp/0226777111Persecution and the Art of Writing it explains how to read esoteric philosophy. It might help to understand that Brother Pike had a rather limited audience here in the US as well as the UK and Europe. Until about 1974, his book Morals and Dogma was given to all Scottish Rite Masons in the Southern Jurisdiction. The reason for that is that he was re-writing SR for that jurisdiction. His work got little to no play in the 15 states of the Northern Masonic Jurisdiction. He is actually more famous among anti-Masons than he is among the initiates because they believe, through a curosory reading and an even more cursory understanding, that he speaks for all of Masonry when in fact there is not now nor has there ever been any such person who does this. Pike was, in the opinion of many Masons and the profane alike, a bit of a Masonic crank. He was in love with his own purple prose as the some 800 pages of M and D should demonstrate to nearly any reader. Ironically, when you offer a suggestion on a source teaching how to read esoterica, you will find that a trained esoteric student will tell you that Pike was in fact no speaking about Satan worship at all. That however didnt stop those like Leo Taxi and Eliphas Levi from latching on to a few sentences and declaring that Pike and Satan were not only in league, but were one and the same. Pikes references were arcane and difficult to understand them when he wrote them and time has not helped. As we move through the centuries after his work, his antiquated references and subreferences become even more sinister sounding, but nly because they move further away from the source material with which Pike was working. As someone who has received personal threats simply for being a Freemason and know for a fact that some of the threats have been based on what people believe Pike said and who he said it to, I can assure you that hundred's of thousands of Masons would not associate themselves with anything to do with Satan worship and even more refuse to acknowledge Pike simply becuse thats what he seems to be talking about. I would suggest that anyone interest in Pike or who considers him to tip the Masonic hands true intent read the text Morals and Dogma for the 21st century, which makes many of his references more clear and explains where Pike himself drew them from. As for the Baphoment image that has come to be associated with Pike and Freemasonry, you have Taxil and Levi to thank for that. The original illustration drawn on by so many "antis" came from the drawing board of Mr. Levi and is was used by Taxil on posters he used to advertise lectures claiming to expose Freemasonry as satanic. Of course on his deathbed, Taxil recanted and said that a good deal of what he wrote was simply made up and the rest was based on intentionally misconstrued sources and interpretations. If anyone truly believes that Freemasonry is satanic in nature, I would encourage them to travel to Lodges in the American South and listen to the prayers of the Lodge chaplains. They will be quickly disavowed of any notion of satanism.
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