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Post by Tamrin on Nov 24, 2007 19:59:42 GMT
Well, since you ask, the subject is very personal. It is about what you are thankful for: Fine as it goes, but not ordinarily one for others to comment upon.
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 24, 2007 20:02:37 GMT
Perhaps because the matter of Halcyon and its struggle with its former Grand Lodge and Grand Master is actually INTERESTING
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 24, 2007 20:11:40 GMT
Perhaps because the matter of Halcyon and its struggle with its former Grand Lodge and Grand Master is actually INTERESTING Indeed, the term, " motherhood statements," comes to mind in relation to the topic of this thread.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 24, 2007 21:42:24 GMT
...some who were clearly never made masons in their hearts... Again you presume to know that which lurks in the hearts of men.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 24, 2007 22:06:12 GMT
Not at all. I judge only by actions. ...some who were clearly never made masons in their hearts...
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Post by billmcelligott on Nov 24, 2007 22:41:11 GMT
I presume then that
'I judge only by actions.'
the action would be '...some who were clearly never made masons in their hearts...'
or maybe in this case maybe non action, action ?
However read it as, if a person does not behave like a Freemason I can justly claim that he does not. Or She.
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 24, 2007 23:02:20 GMT
Only GOD truly knows what is in a man or woman's heart. I would not presume to know the intent and motivations of another and have enough on my plate answering for my own.
As you and others have alluded, Bro Bill, "Judge ye not that ye be not judged".
We do not have "Masonic Trials" here in the UK and I would refuse to serve on one if we did. I wouldn't even wish to be on the Jury in a REAL Trial in a Proper Court of Law and thankfully so far I have not been called to serve on one.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 24, 2007 23:08:30 GMT
However read it as, if a person does not behave like a Freemason I can justly claim that he does not. Or She. Agreed. However, on that basis alone, I cannot justly claim WHY not.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 24, 2007 23:14:56 GMT
Only GOD truly knows what is in a man or woman's heart. I would not presume to know the intent and motivations of another and have enough on my plate answering for my own. I am very glad indeed that you now profess this position.
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Post by billmcelligott on Nov 24, 2007 23:28:35 GMT
Bro. Steve I would claim the phrase [ some who were clearly never made masons in their hearts ] means how you behave indicates who and what you are. not that anyone knows what's in a mans heart.
Of course "Judge ye not that ye be not judged" only applies to other people. Not you and I.
But seriously - without judgement there would be no punishment, then where would we be.
Bro. Philip "Agreed. However, on that basis alone, I cannot justly claim WHY not."
I will have to have a think about that one.
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 24, 2007 23:35:51 GMT
Bro Philip, did you doubt that? I may have very strong views and occasionally tread on delicate toes but I am well aware of Our Lord's admonition on Judging others. Also His remarks about the mote in one's Brother's Eye and the beam in one's own.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 24, 2007 23:46:04 GMT
I will have to have a think about that one. Bro. BillTo facilitate your thoughts, please be aware that I had read your earlier statement as if it were a tautology, saying, in effect, " ...if a person does not behave like a Freemason I can justly claim that he does not [behave like a Freemason] . Or She." If this was not your intended meaning, please correct me.
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Post by tws on Nov 24, 2007 23:51:11 GMT
Well, since you ask, the subject is very personal. It is about what you are thankful for: Fine as it goes, but not ordinarily one for others to comment upon. It is simply a statement of what you are thankful for. No need for anyone to comment on what you say, This is typicaly done here in the US around the Thanksgiving holliday, so we take it as a matter of course, since we do it from the time we are small. The entire purpose of the holliday is to set aside one day each year to reflect on those blessings that we have recieved in our day to day life, but are usually too busy to put into perspective. It is also a time to celebrate the bounty of the GAOTU's creation, the fall harvest. In earlier times, we did not have the method of preservation that we enjoy today, so this was a time to enjoy having plenty of food available before the lean times of winter.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 24, 2007 23:52:59 GMT
Bro Philip, did you doubt that? I may have very strong views and occasionally tread on delicate toes but I am well aware of Our Lord's admonition on Judging others. Also His remarks about the mote in one's Brother's Eye and the beam in one's own. Bro. Steve,You had been known to attribute motives to the actions of others (myself included), in very strong terms. Right glad I am that you now eschew such attribution.
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 24, 2007 23:59:44 GMT
Yes even I can take my tanks off of someone's lawn. You may have observed that I deleted a post having a hefty swipe at Theron Dunn as even I thought I had gone a wee bit too far on this occasion.
Now I am glad that someone, Bro TWS, explained the significance of the "Thanksgiving" Message. Over here in the UK we simply do not have this holiday so would not make the connection.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 25, 2007 0:03:36 GMT
Yes even I can take my tanks off of someone's lawn. Please explain.
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Post by penfold on Nov 25, 2007 0:07:10 GMT
I guess its the same way that those media formats that concentrate just on the good stuff end up out of business in about 6 months usually. Good news don't sell, you need DISASTERS!!!!!!!!
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Post by therondunn on Nov 25, 2007 0:18:21 GMT
but as Freemasons, we should be better than the lowest common denominator
shouldn't we?
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 25, 2007 0:24:13 GMT
It's an English expression. I think it was first used by Harold Wilson about the Trade Unions when they were threatening to call Strikes in key industries if he did not give into their demands, he asked the Secretary General of the TUC to get their tanks off his lawn.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 25, 2007 0:33:13 GMT
Bro. Steve, Thank you.
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