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Post by billmcelligott on Nov 30, 2007 23:09:48 GMT
See I told you its like a Lodge room here, the Guys in Lodge take the pee out of me as well.
Worshipful Grand bobblehead if I am still alive and kicking I will be there. If I am not I will still be there.
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Post by tws on Nov 30, 2007 23:21:15 GMT
See I told you its like a Lodge room here, the Guys in Lodge take the pee out of me as well. Worshipful Grand bobblehead if I am still alive and kicking I will be there. If I am not I will still be there. You've still got a couple of years left in you I'll bet.
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Post by billmcelligott on Nov 30, 2007 23:56:56 GMT
I must admit I do look good.
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Post by idestine on Dec 1, 2007 1:01:42 GMT
Me too. I have better things to do. Have fun, ya'll. I have masonic business to deal with... something about "Milton, Chadwick and Waters" and a soon to be ex mason I guess. Sounds like you are contemplating tortious interference in the life of another. Might land you, Theron, as the "soon to be ex mason". D
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Post by therondunn on Dec 1, 2007 1:24:44 GMT
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Post by idestine on Dec 1, 2007 2:21:33 GMT
hahaha, you have no idea what you are talking about, idestine, nor what my business is that I referenced. Why do you feel you need to interject on a subject on which you have no idea what I am talking about? For all you know, I am a trial master or an investigator for my lodge on an issue, or that I am seeking evidence on direction of my grand lodge, or... there are a thousand things... and only one person... well, two maybe, that know what I am referencing. So tell me, why do you interject on this? Tortious interference... hehehe I am a longtime friend and know exactly what you are talking about. As an attorney, I also know exactly what I am talking about. D
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Post by Tamrin on Dec 1, 2007 2:25:45 GMT
Really? Pray show me where I have been personal with Brad... Bro. Theron, recent extracts: There are a few, less than a hundred, "masons" that are simply causing problems, and are part of the problem, not the cure. In this blog, I take a look at the malcontents that are vocal, noisy, destructive and, frankly, unmasonic. As always, I look forward to your comments and thoughts on this minor, though noisy issue. So, a small minority of players, moving out of a sense of ego, because that is really all this is about, have created a storm of flying fecal matter to self aggrandize... or so it seems from their own statements and actions. I am certain they did not just wake up one day and say: What the heck, lets destroy the lodge, surrender the charter, abscond with the assets, surrender our dues cards and form a new clandestine lodge. Ah, you give the detractors too much credit. They are fools, and will complain regardless. … we have been discussing Halcyon and the activities of its leaders... Brad, ... Those men who left the lodge in dire straights did so because they did not consider anything but their own desires, and because of their egos, everything they MIGHT have wrought will come to nothing. If they had instead, worked WITH the Grand Lodge (remember, those men ARE masonic brothers, not alien enemies), they might have found a way to achieve all the lofty goals they wanted...
So tell us all, what center of masonic education, and how how much dedication to ritual and tradition have they exemplified, considering they could not maintain even their obligations? Zeal MUST be tempered with experience, patience and perseverance or it is useless. You also claim, Brad, that the core of masonic teaching and thought has been reinforced?
How? By violating their obligations, by their destroying what they could not possess, by attempting to abscond with that which does not belong to them? Restoring the building did not make it theirs by right... it was their DUTY to restore the building, a privilege they chose to squander...
I just support what I agree with, and don't whine and carp about what I do NOT agree with. I work to change what I do not agree with, and am having great success, thank you very much. This discussion has been all ABOUT intentions and honor, and a lack of integrity on display.
So again, I am sorry that YOU find all this irksome. My sincere apologies, Br. Carter, for insulting your sensibilities so. I try to act as a man of integrity, and when I see men who claim to be masons acting in a manner that seems to lack any shred of integrity, I tend to say so. Maybe it would be easier on your sensibilities if we never, ever discussed any issue that adversely affects freemasonry, so you won't be irked? Well, Brad,... And with your negative attitude about everything regular masonry, why are you interested in getting back into a regular lodge? Brad... stick to one issue or another, or some might get the impression you are not sure of yourself...
Thanks. If you want to start a thread somewhere else to discuss those issues, please do, following the rules of this forum. I will not participate it in, of course, restricting myself only to my blog comments and comments directed to those blog comments. PERIOD. See what I mean about boasting hollowly, Brad? Get on with it and stop bragging about how great, awesome, true, original yadda yadda yadda this new thing is. Show me the money. If its so awesome to you, write in your own words why it is so awesome. Copy and paste don't mean squat. hahaha, I am goading? You guys are supposed to be brothers... its okay to goad me with gratuitous attacks, but when I am proven RIGHT, suddenly I am goading? No, I was right, and I made my point that I have been proven right... and I guess to someone who is so angry at my posts, being proven right might be a tad bit irritating.
Sorry about being proven right, brothers
I would have thought you might have something to say about my being proven right, instead, I get talked about as if I were a child...
but I guess that might be a bit too much to expect... Tamrin, you always seem to go for the personal. Do you have anything to, oh, I don't know, add to the conversation, or are you satisfied brother with personal attack and invective? ...stop the personal attacks... Pray show me where I have been personal with you Bro. Theron.
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Post by tws on Dec 1, 2007 2:36:10 GMT
Bro. Phillip, are you retired or something? You have way too much time on your hands to dig back through all those posts. I guess if it makes you happy...
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Post by idestine on Dec 1, 2007 2:39:36 GMT
Theron doth protest too much, methinks.
(with apologies to William Shakespeare)
D
"People take different roads seeking fulfillment and happiness. Just because they're not on your road doesn't mean they've gotten lost." ~H. Jackson Brown, Jr.
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 1, 2007 3:00:33 GMT
Justice without power is inefficient; power without justice is tyranny. Justice without power is opposed, because there are always wicked men. Power without justice is soon questioned. Justice and power must therefore be brought together, so that whatever is just may be powerful, and whatever is powerful may be just.
- Pascal
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 1, 2007 3:11:42 GMT
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Post by idestine on Dec 1, 2007 3:15:23 GMT
Justice without power is inefficient; power without justice is tyranny. Justice without power is opposed, because there are always wicked men. Power without justice is soon questioned. Justice and power must therefore be brought together, so that whatever is just may be powerful, and whatever is powerful may be just. - Pascal "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac." ~Henry Kissinger
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Post by Tamrin on Dec 1, 2007 3:27:42 GMT
Bro. Theron,
I suggest the controversy relating to Halcyon Lodge is connected to Bro. Brad's initial Blog entry. This wider debate has been dragging on for some time, with Brad bearing much of the brunt, with some of your earlier remarks being directed at him.
One comment I quoted not because it was in itself personal but simply because, in it, you assured us you would not be responding to comments other than in your own threads.
Your complaints about Brad having cut and pasted his initial Blog entry are purely personal and bear no relevance to the subject (I am not "calling" the others you mention because, unlike you, they did not ask me to do so). As for whether or not many of the other comments were personal or negative, they certainly appeared that way to me and I will leave it to others to decide (some have already done so). I am reminded of the Bush administration's obfuscation over what does and does not constitute torture.
I await your instances of my "personal attacks" directed at you.
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Post by Tamrin on Dec 1, 2007 4:32:35 GMT
Bro. Philip, are you retired or something? You have way too much time on your hands to dig back through all those posts. I guess if it makes you happy... Well, I only went back over a couple of weeks and, no, I am not retired and, no, it doesn't make me happy. However, Bro. Theron asked and he was entitled to have me show some basis for my observation.
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Post by vtmason on Dec 1, 2007 10:16:45 GMT
I think you two should be ashamed of yourselves. For all of your big talk about Masonry, you are acting like children. It is as if you feel the need to get the last dig in.
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Post by Tamrin on Dec 1, 2007 11:19:33 GMT
I think you two should be ashamed of yourselves. For all of your big talk about Masonry, you are acting like children. It is as if you feel the need to get the last dig in. Some perspective please: Of the 140 posts on this thread (now 141), 25 have been Bro. Brad's (after all, it is "his" thread), 19 have been Bro. Theron's (odd from someone who was only going to post under "his" threads), 12 have been from me (now 13 and still rather moderate in light of my recent number of posts on the forum) and 12 have been from you, Bro. Errol.
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 1, 2007 11:42:47 GMT
Its not the amount of posts , its the content, I believe vt was referring to.
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Post by Tamrin on Dec 1, 2007 11:48:37 GMT
Its not the amount of posts , its the content, I believe vt was referring to. I have already asked Bro. Theron to show where I have personally attacked him, as he alleges. I had, after all, done little more than comply with his request:- Really? Pray show me where I have been personal with Brad...
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Post by penfold on Dec 1, 2007 13:43:21 GMT
I'm confused, R W G Bobbleheed, was your post directed at TD and Brad or Tamrin and Brad? Or just all of us squabbling kids in general?
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Post by therondunn on Dec 1, 2007 18:57:53 GMT
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