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Post by tws on Dec 4, 2007 14:08:27 GMT
I live in Ohio, in a burb of Cleveland and am interested in researching the GO. Not sure how you can guess at what the GO means to me if I don't know yet. You wouldn't happen to be a politician as well as a lawyer, would you?
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Post by tws on Dec 4, 2007 14:12:26 GMT
You must be a lawyer, you totally ignored the questions. Penfold, you beat me to it. You type too fast, like Phillip.
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Post by idestine on Dec 4, 2007 14:24:51 GMT
You must be a lawyer, you totally ignored the questions. I'm guessing an artificially inflated invoice is now in the mail? Actually, that is a good juxtapostion - what have you done to counter corruption in the legal industry in Ohio? Presuming you have been on the bar register for a while you will no doubt be aware there are laywers who pad their bills and act dishonestly - even corruptly, so in reply, what have you done about them? Another charming Ad Hominem comment! If I knew of an attorney who acted dishonestly in the practice of law I would report them to the Bar Association. The Bar follows up on complaints, attorneys are disciplined with regularity for all kinds of infractions. But you just made my forum point perfectly. I am not in a position to know how other attorneys bill their clients or how they may "pad" bills. Why? Because I don't do or see their billing! Every attorney in Ohio may be corruptly billing their clients and I can't see it because I am not in any position to see it. Likewise, I can imagine that one can be part of any mainstream group and not necessarily be in the position to see internal corruption.
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Post by therondunn on Dec 4, 2007 14:31:39 GMT
Ad Hominem... to again quote Inigo Montoya: I do not think the words mean what you think they mean...
Ad Hominem is a PERSONAL attack, against you rather than your arguments. If you make YOURSELF the argument, then of course, any reply would be ad hominem.
Do you think you might, oh, I don't know, stick to the topic instead of making it about yourself there, idestine?
Let me ask you a direct question. A simple yes or no will do. Are you, or rather, were you, a member of Halcyon Lodge #498? Perhaps the secretary of the lodge?
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Post by tws on Dec 4, 2007 14:46:56 GMT
The sudden silence is deafening.
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Post by idestine on Dec 4, 2007 14:49:09 GMT
Ad Hominem... to again quote Inigo Montoya: I do not think the words mean what you think they mean... Ad Hominem is a PERSONAL attack, against you rather than your arguments. If you make YOURSELF the argument, then of course, any reply would be ad hominem. Do you think you might, oh, I don't know, stick to the topic instead of making it about yourself there, idestine? Let me ask you a direct question. A simple yes or no will do. Are you, or rather, were you, a member of Halcyon Lodge #498? Perhaps the secretary of the lodge? Ad Hominem is a general catagory of fallacies against character, circumstances, actions etc. The topic: The blog - my opinion of credibility problems on the page referenced, and a showing of disrespect not fitting for a Masonic publication. The GO - which I am interested in and am researching and will report findings back to forum. Your guesses -keep working on that.
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Post by tws on Dec 4, 2007 14:55:42 GMT
Idestine, once again let me reiterate Bro. penfold's question:
Are you a mason?
A simple yes or no will do.
I don't think that this is too much to ask.
Am I a Mason? Yes. See, that didn't hurt.
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Post by penfold on Dec 4, 2007 14:57:54 GMT
The topic: The blog - my opinion of credibility problems on the page referenced, and a showing of disrespect not fitting for a Masonic publication. The GO - which I am interested in and am researching and will report findings back to forum. Your guesses -keep working on that. See there are quite a few issues with your argument as stated in the post I have quoted here. This is not a 'masonic publication' it is a forum for people to discuss freemasonry - it has no official standing with any GL or masonic body. Just as Ed's pages and site are his alone, no group body or organisation claims responsibility for them other than Ed. As I mentioned, you want to discuss it with Ed - head off to his pages and contact him there, he is not a member here and so has no right of reply, which your criticism's justly entitle him to. Or do you have an ulterior motive for continuing the debate here? You may well be interested in the GO - good for you! Most of the members here have a passing interest and wish them well, and hope they enjoy what ever they are doing. As for your report - why do you think we care? Unless you are acting in an official masonic capacity then your opinion is as valid as mine, tws, Tamrin, Bill, Brad, 2 bowl, Jeff, who ever. So by all means carry on with your research, but please don't feel compelled to post it here.
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Post by brandt on Dec 4, 2007 14:58:27 GMT
Did I read that correctly? Have I become a figment of someone's imagination? Perhaps I don't have to pay my bills now;-)
....and so it goes
Brandt
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Post by tws on Dec 4, 2007 15:16:03 GMT
Did I read that correctly? Have I become a figment of someone's imagination? Perhaps I don't have to pay my bills now;-) ....and so it goes Brandt Try not paying your taxes. The IRS will let you know how imaginary you are, right quick! ;D
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Post by idestine on Dec 4, 2007 15:21:27 GMT
As for your report - why do you think we care? Unless you are acting in an official masonic capacity then your opinion is as valid as mine, tws, Tamrin, Bill, Brad, 2 bowl, Jeff, who ever. So by all means carry on with your research, but please don't feel compelled to post it here. TWS suggested that I contact the GOofF about the GO-US and post my findings to forum.
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Post by penfold on Dec 4, 2007 15:29:36 GMT
As for your report - why do you think we care? Unless you are acting in an official masonic capacity then your opinion is as valid as mine, tws, Tamrin, Bill, Brad, 2 bowl, Jeff, who ever. So by all means carry on with your research, but please don't feel compelled to post it here. TWS suggested that I contact the GOofF about the GO-US and post my findings to forum. And I'm suggesting you don't - so now you have 2 equally valid opinions - take your choice. And how about those other questions? You have proved you are able to answer at least one direct question with a direct answer......I have faith in your ability to do another, or maybe even 2!
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Post by idestine on Dec 4, 2007 15:32:59 GMT
This is not a 'masonic publication' it is a forum for people to discuss freemasonry - it has no official standing with any GL or masonic body. Just as Ed's pages and site are his alone, no group body or organisation claims responsibility for them other than Ed. As I mentioned, you want to discuss it with Ed - head off to his pages and contact him there, he is not a member here and so has no right of reply, which your criticism's justly entitle him to. Or do you have an ulterior motive for continuing the debate here? I am referring to the blog, not this forum, and will modify my statement regarding a "masonic related publication" that in my opinion, contains elements (such as mocking acronyms) that are disrepectful and not fitting of Masonic ideals. The URL to the Blog page was put up for discussion as the topic of this thread. It seems rather disingenuous now to insist that the blog not be discussed.
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Post by vtmason on Dec 4, 2007 15:34:21 GMT
I don't believe that idestine is a Mason as he told us that when he arrived.
Hayclon lodge is also not a part of the GO-US. Not at this time at least. There simply hasn't been time for that to even happen. To my knowledge all of these lodges are in the south east US.
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Post by penfold on Dec 4, 2007 15:39:05 GMT
So why exactly is idestine here and taking such an interest?
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Post by tws on Dec 4, 2007 15:59:21 GMT
So why exactly is idestine here and taking such an interest? We're supposed to keep guessing, remember.
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Post by mrchips on Dec 4, 2007 16:11:27 GMT
I am a second generation Mason. I have been a Mason for over a decade and I can say that I am appauled at the recent internet behaviour of some of those that I am obligated to stand by. I have never been embarassed to be a member of our noble and gentle Craft until now.
May I remind this forum of the first line in the terms of service:
You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of ANY law.
I would suggest that since Ed King's info is not direct from the source chances are high that it is al least in some parts inaccurate. It is definatley hateful and would appear to be an invasion of someone else's privacy.
Let us not forget that as Masons we are first and foremost to be gentlemen. This petty fighting and catty bickering is beneath the integrity of our institution.
I have stayed away from eMasonry up until now. This, needs to stop. The Craft has it's own issues without us fighting with each other like high school girls.
Get a hold of yourselves.
S&F, Chris Palmer St. Johns Lodge #9 Seattle, Washington F & A.M.
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Post by brandt on Dec 4, 2007 16:16:42 GMT
"Try not paying your taxes. The IRS will let you know how imaginary you are, right quick! "
Brother TWS, are you recommending that I try that? You wouldn't lead men astray would you?
The only reason I mention is that there was a lot of talk about facts. I feel that I must out that I do in fact exist. Brother King and I have never had the opportunity to speak so I can understand why he may feel that I am imaginary. If anyone is ever in contact with Brother King please let him that I am alive and well.;-)
Brandt
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Post by tws on Dec 4, 2007 16:27:05 GMT
"Try not paying your taxes. The IRS will let you know how imaginary you are, right quick! " Brother TWS, are you recommending that I try that? You wouldn't lead men astray would you? Me? Never! You mean you're not a sock puppet? ;D
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 4, 2007 17:12:19 GMT
I am a second generation Mason. I have been a Mason for over a decade and I can say that I am appauled at the recent internet behaviour of some of those that I am obligated to stand by. I have never been embarassed to be a member of our noble and gentle Craft until now. May I remind this forum of the first line in the terms of service: You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of ANY law. I would suggest that since Ed King's info is not direct from the source chances are high that it is al least in some parts inaccurate. It is definatley hateful and would appear to be an invasion of someone else's privacy. Let us not forget that as Masons we are first and foremost to be gentlemen. This petty fighting and catty bickering is beneath the integrity of our institution. I have stayed away from eMasonry up until now. This, needs to stop. The Craft has it's own issues without us fighting with each other like high school girls. Get a hold of yourselves. S&F, Chris Palmer St. Johns Lodge #9 Seattle, Washigton F & A.M. First Bro. Chris welcome to this forum. The Moderators will take your comments into account. However what we have here is a discussion on and of that article. There seems to be an equal number for and against. This is my personal view and not the policy of the Forum. 1> You never solve anything by not talking about it. 2> The first principle that made me take part in eMasonry, was to have a place where others can came and tell me I am wrong. Without favor or fear. Having spent many years when I could not get heard at all. The mods will discuss your words and we will contact you in due course.
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