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Post by hollandr on Apr 1, 2008 7:32:04 GMT
Philip,
On cue I see
And still not a supporter of shamanism
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 1, 2008 7:58:57 GMT
A true Shaman knows the differences between the inner and outer worlds.
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Post by corab on Apr 1, 2008 11:35:31 GMT
That's okay Tamrin -- I rode a dragon and didn't need heat resistant clothing either. In the world between worlds the laws of physics need not necessarily apply, nor does time as we know play a significant role. OK: Readers may not know that Russell claims to have ridden a unicorn over (sorry, 'around') the North Pole. Presumably without the comfort of arctic clothing and getting back in time for tea and scones
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 1, 2008 12:56:21 GMT
In the world between worlds the laws of physics need not necessarily apply, nor does time as we know play a significant role. Precisely! However, Russell claims of his unicorns a reality in the world of matter. Albeit, he does concede that appearances can be deceptive: Of course a manifested reality might not have an identical causal reality. It may be a seagod imitating the properties of unicorn.
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Post by hollandr on Apr 1, 2008 13:19:12 GMT
>Russell claims of his unicorns a reality in the world of matter.
Philip
It is nice of you to present a case for me but it might be more accurate if I presented my own
And as this is getting a bit off the thread perhaps you might like to start a separate thread to discuss any interests you may have about the interaction between mythology and the inner worlds
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 1, 2008 13:52:38 GMT
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Post by maximus on Apr 1, 2008 14:13:03 GMT
Touche'
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Post by maximus on Apr 1, 2008 14:21:28 GMT
Of course a manifested reality might not have an identical causal reality. It may be a seagod imitating the properties of unicorn. Check your premises. Unable to determine what they can or cannot change, some men attempt to "rewrite reality," i.e., to alter the nature of the metaphysically given. "The Metaphysical Versus the Man-Made," Philosophy: Who Needs It, 30.
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Post by maximus on Apr 1, 2008 14:22:41 GMT
A true Shaman knows the differences between the inner and outer worlds. Precisely.
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Post by maat on Apr 1, 2008 22:43:38 GMT
Dedicated to Tammy and Max
"Words! 'Tis ever words, and I am stranded With words, and tangled skeins of Things to Be. Each word denies a word, and all are branded Within my brain, and I must strive to see The subtly sneering forms, the leering faces Of words each word calls up. For me, NO GRACE is." ETHEL ARCHER.
Now buzz off and start your own thread on "The Nature of Reality" or how about "What is Darkness, What is Light".
It might be off interest here to let you know I have worked a little with people whose idea of reality is a little different from our own, most of them had Down's Syndrome, but others as well. I saw more light in those people than you might find even in some masonic lodges and they helped me find a light I never knew existed till then.
Maat
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Post by maat on Apr 1, 2008 22:48:04 GMT
Unable to determine what they can or cannot change, some men attempt to "rewrite reality," And aren't we truly thankful for that. I am thinking the medical miracles for a start ... "He did the impossible!" - words that usually usually precede ticker tape street parades, state honors etc etc. Maat
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Post by maat on Apr 1, 2008 23:07:45 GMT
Russell claims of his unicorns a reality in the world of matter. I have been reading where even scientists cannot determine where matter starts and ends. They already know that light and sound are the same thing and just present themselves to our senses differently, depending on the scale of vibration. Perhaps some people have managed set into operation additional senses (one is already popularly known as the sixth sense) which can perceive higher rates of vibration than those recognised by most of us. All of the above is related to my take on this thread, the end of darkness... 'darkness' being just a word to describe ones ability to perceive what surrounds one. Even our physical eyes have to be trained somewhat when one takes up visual art. If I can see a ghost, and Russell can see a Unicorn, maybe that could be an indication that there are other sense organs that can be BUILT up. Set into operation. Maat
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Post by maat on Apr 1, 2008 23:10:45 GMT
Loved this bit from the same poem...
"What if the Day be long, the night be cheerless? Is not an universe within my brain? Is not the high will strong, the strong will fearless? All I have built, shall I not build again? Some other Universe where All is One. Where ONE is ALL I am, and I AM --- NONE!
Maat Master of Her Own Universe.
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Post by maat on Apr 1, 2008 23:25:33 GMT
>What structures - with sensory and operative properties? No doubt you have played the game of building up some etheric energy in your hands and then pushing them together feeling the elastic resistance. That etheric substance could also be elongated by intent and visualisation to touch some more distant object thereby being an organ for the sense of touch. That organ with a little practice would be able to perceive light and dark where it was touching and thereby develop some elementary sight capacity. Yes - and isn't that fun! When I first started I used to do it too long and I reckon I nearly sent myself crossed. (My most memorable occasion was when I managed to stretch the etheric (?) substance to the tip of a candle flame and actually raised the flame to a height of about 5 inches and kept it there till my concentration faltered. My eyes nearly fell out of my head. Try as I did for a while I have not been able to reproduce it. I can almost visualise an invisible sponsor playing a rollicking good game with me.) I still use that technique to demonstrate the existance of interfacing energies to workmates, those that need a bit of healing help etc. It sure blows their minds somewhat to actually be able to feel what I was telling them about. This then puts them in a very positive state of mind for what they need to do re their actions/problems/issues etc. Thank you for the lengthy answer Russell, I have taken it all on board. When I analyzed it all, I realised that your instructions are the same as those given in the intitial degrees of Freemasonry. ! So if you take the masonic lessons to heart and practice the craft, rising on the planes should come quite naturally? Maat
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Post by hollandr on Apr 1, 2008 23:39:59 GMT
>So if you take the masonic lessons to heart and practice the craft, rising on the planes should come quite naturally?
Certainly
And for those interested in the technical aspects and accelerated progress, specifics are provided in the EA TB in substantial detail
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 2, 2008 8:10:11 GMT
Now buzz off and start your own thread on "The Nature of Reality" or how about "What is Darkness, What is Light" Maat, Where is your sweetness and light? This is not your thread nor is it Russell's although he started it. There are no prescribed responses and few proscribed ones. As it was, Russell explicitly cued me and I obliged. Even without such an invitation I will post where and as I choose: Not as you would have me do.
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 2, 2008 8:11:29 GMT
And for those interested in the technical aspects and accelerated progress, specifics are provided in the EA TB in substantial detail Please explain.
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Post by hollandr on Apr 2, 2008 9:11:23 GMT
>Please explain.
It seems to me that the genuine secrets of a MM (other than alchemical) are all quite clear on the EA TB if the symbolism can be operationalised
And it gets a little wearing explaining it
However for those who are determined I suggest learning Rising on the Planes.
Finding a teacher is the first test.
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 2, 2008 9:29:49 GMT
That is not an explanation. If the matter is all that clear and is provided in such substantial detail then it ought not be even a little wearing to explain it. Simply tell us what you mean.
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Post by lauderdale on Apr 2, 2008 10:01:17 GMT
"....And it gets a little wearing explaining it"
I agree wholeheartedly Bro Russell! I look at such continued interjections as tedious in the extreme and a form of "Gamesmanship" similar to the person who distracts their opponent's attention in a game of Chess by coughing etc, and I find that it breaks the flow of an otherwise good thread. In my own case I simply ignore such tactics and their authors and continue with my postings.
Genuine requests for further information of course are another thing entirely.
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