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Post by hollandr on Feb 3, 2008 3:49:06 GMT
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Post by willied77 on Feb 3, 2008 23:31:21 GMT
I have a friend, who for no reason, gets a very sore throat, causing her to lose her voice.
She recently had her tarot read, by the proper method, and he revealed that in her previous life, she was a heavy smoker, hence throat problems in his one.
Maybe the Angels Kiss, does not remove all memory's afterall.
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Post by maat on Feb 4, 2008 4:04:39 GMT
The memory could possibly be retained because of the violent end and the almost immediate reincarnation. Did not pass thru all the veils before turning back? I have first hand experience of a toddler (2+) telling me to call her by her 'real' name, she then told me her 'real' name and how she died (which was correct, the person was known to me and had been run down by a car). I don't have scars but right from childhood I have had a real 'thing' about anyone who gets too close to my neck. It was only years later I was informed in a dream that I once had my head chopped off (for political reasons) and on another occasion I was told that in a previous life, when I was a herder in Turkey, I had had my throat ripped out by a hook in a skirmish. Geesh-I hope that the 'bad' times are over and done with for a while No scarring - just wrinkles at my age Maat
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Post by hollandr on Feb 4, 2008 5:06:28 GMT
>I have had a real 'thing' about anyone who gets too close to my neck.
Lots of people have a thing about tight collars and ties from being hanged too often
And those tortured with heat or blades often become accident-prone around hot or sharp objects
A woman I know when 8 years old told her father that if he bought a caravan she would take an axe to it. She had some interaction with large torture machines in past lives
And how about claustrophobia from waking up in a coffin? (I am getting over that one.)
Cheers
Russell
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Post by maat on Feb 4, 2008 5:54:26 GMT
Cremation looking good this time round, Russell? Oooh aaah that's a real nasty!! Giving me the willies just thinking about it.
I'm rather hoping that by the time I go they bring in the snap freeze option... freeze you solid then whack you with a big hammer and you turn to powder. Just think you could keep the champers cool at your own wake ;D
Maat
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Post by hollandr on Feb 4, 2008 6:08:28 GMT
>Giving me the willies just thinking about it.
I recall a Victorian cemetery that was moved and about 10% of the coffins had scratch marks on the underside
Cremation is good but I suggest having some sort of precaution against awakening in the heat
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Tamrin on Feb 4, 2008 7:43:43 GMT
I recall a Victorian cemetery that was moved and about 10% of the coffins had scratch marks on the underside
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Post by lauderdale on Feb 4, 2008 10:24:14 GMT
Edgar Allen Poe wrote a story about a premature burial , and in the 19th century in the USA and possibly in the UK as well, there was the system of having a bell above ground with a cord going down to the hand of the corpse. I don't know if there was ever a case of the bell being rung and someone still alive being saved. Some people even had a clause in their Will that there wrists were to be cut to prove they were dead or even, rather gruesomely, that they be left for a few days until definite signs of putrefaction were seen in their corpse before burial.
As to Cremation, I have always preferred this method of disposal, feeling it to be far more respectful to the dead than being left in the ground to rot, and also far more hygienic and a better use of land than burial. In some Crematoria the heat from the flue gasses is recycled and used for heating the premises etc. Personally I do not feel it makes any difference to the spirit. The corpse is but an empty container as far as I am concerned.
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Post by lauderdale on Feb 4, 2008 10:32:07 GMT
"I was informed in a dream that I once had my head chopped off (for political reasons)"
To be honest I am not at all surprised to read that, Maat.
For my own part I have a perception that I was alive, prior to my present incarnation which commenced in Scotland in August 1953, in Nazi Germany and had a participatory role, albeit a minor one, in some of the events there . Quite chilling to watch some newsreel footage on the TV of the Third Reich and feel "I was there" although I have never yet been to Germany in this life nor do I speak German.
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Post by hollandr on Feb 4, 2008 11:56:29 GMT
During the dark half of my 3rd I had a "memory" of being carried out of a church in a coffin. Theoretically I ought not remember being in the coffin at my funeral.
I used to find working in very low crawl spaces a bit challenging but have got past about half of the claustrophobia
>in Nazi Germany
It is my observation that many of those who died in WW2 were reborn in just a few years. This may well have been to be part of the new cycle for which they fought or to be part of the continuing fight against the new cycle
Cheers
Russell
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Post by chriswitt on Feb 4, 2008 18:03:26 GMT
Edgar Allen Poe wrote a story about a premature burial , and in the 19th century in the USA and possibly in the UK as well, there was the system of having a bell above ground with a cord going down to the hand of the corpse. I don't know if there was ever a case of the bell being rung and someone still alive being saved. Indeed the bell was used in the UK and was put to novel use by the perpetrator of the Great Train Robbery. I won't spoil it for anyone who has not yet read it! As for birthmarks, I have a circular red birthmark, just below the middle of my chest, 3rd nipple?, which I have been told would have had me burned as a witch in times gone by! Maybe this is where my feelings of persecution arise?
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Post by Antonius on Feb 4, 2008 19:16:10 GMT
not to be rude, but what reason would a sceptic have to believe any of this is what you guys seem to think it is?
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Post by hollandr on Feb 4, 2008 20:20:45 GMT
Antonius
I read somewhere a study of people who claimed to be reincarnated in which the previous life was identified in detail - Fred Smith of 45 Railway Parade Napier in the 1860s - when such a person was known to have lived. And of those people with birthmarks in this life, about 95% had corresponding injuries in the claimed past life
Perhaps someone can recall more of that study
And I could tell of personal experiences in which knowledge of a past life has allowed major breakthroughs in this life
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Tamrin on Feb 4, 2008 20:32:07 GMT
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Post by hollandr on Feb 4, 2008 22:27:55 GMT
"Dr. Ian Stevenson, head of the Department of Psychiatric Medicine at the University of Virginia School of Medicine, Charlottesville, Virginia, is one of the foremost researchers and authors on the subject of reincarnation and past lives. In 1993, he wrote a paper entitled "Birthmarks and Birth Defects Corresponding to Wounds on Deceased Persons"as possible physical evidence for past lives. "Among 895 cases of children who claimed to remember a previous life (or were thought by adults to have had a previous life)," Stevenson writes, "birthmarks and/or birth defects attributed to the previous life were reported in 309 (35%) of the subjects. The birthmark or birth defect of the child was said to correspond to a wound (usually fatal) or other mark on the deceased person whose life the child said it remembered." paranormal.about.com/cs/reincarnation/a/aa081103_3.htm
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Post by maat on Feb 4, 2008 22:35:01 GMT
not to be rude, but what reason would a sceptic have to believe any of this is what you guys seem to think it is? Just keep on being sceptical Antonius. Better to be cautious. However ... if and when a time comes when one experiences the unbelievable on more than one occasion, there is a tendancy to look for an explanation for it. It is more than comforting to discover that others have had similar experiences and that some of these experiences are noted in the old wisdom books of the ages, which usually explain what they are. When an apparition arrives to tell you reincarnation is a fact what does one do? Seek the help of a doctor or take all things into consideration? An amusing story ... I used to attend the monthly meetings of the Dowsers Club some years ago. On this particular evening I was sitting next to a long standing member for the first time and started to chat. She was somewhat unsettled and seem to be having trouble focussing. I asked if she was alright and she proceeded to tell me that she had been visited by aliens that day, and not for the first time it seems. I, who will believe anything, thought "Uh-ho, got a nutter here" (she certainly did not look like one, she was a business lady type). That was until she got to the part where she said they had implanted a device just behind her right ear some years ago when she was a child, at which point she took my hand and placed it over the area. There was a small rectangular metal feeling device there. You would have thought I had an electric shock I took my hand away so fast. Whenever I met her there after I had to resist the urge to go up to right ear and say "testing, testing, can you hear me..." Not sure I want to see aliens myself.. hope they don't do pay backs for thinking cheeky. Maat
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Post by Antonius on Feb 5, 2008 0:58:36 GMT
well one point i would make is that allthough u have a theory that seems to work, it doesnt mean aother possibilities are not also possible.
the information suggests that there is some sort of connection between these people. there is nothing to suggest anything byond that.
another possibility might be that one person is somehow tapping into the memory of another.
it seems like kind of a leap of faith to go directly to the reincarnation model.
by all accounts, it appears that is a matter of circumstance and disposition. the ones u read about are mostly negative experiances, but i believe that is mostly due to the persons lack of understanding, power over situation and forknowledge. some things are inherent to these situations: -they are unannounced, and allways surprise the person. -they are percieved as something external being forced on them, and typicly experiance themselves as powerless. -the 2 previous points instill a sense of being violated.
there are people who experiance the exact same thing, but they experiance it in a whole different form because it is enduced by drugs, meditation, raising of body temperature, exhaustion, sensory deprivation etc.
this means they are the ones doing it to themselves and so they do not experiance the sense of being violated, and their experiances have a much higher ratio of positive ones.
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Post by hollandr on Feb 5, 2008 2:45:41 GMT
>the ones u read about are mostly negative experiances,
Actually a lot of skills are carried over from one life to the next. If those skills are no longer relevant to society they appear as hobbies
I had a friend years ago who was competent in a wide range of activities both physical and metaphysical. He told me that one day he saw an earlier life and the skills he had in that life immediately appeared in this life.
And from knowledge of past lives it is possible to predict skills.
For example, I needed to employ someone to do copperplate script on a large format agreement between various government and community bodies. I did not know how to find such a person. Then I recalled an artist friend who had spent lives in monasteries doing illuminated manuscripts so I thought that she would be able to do copperplate. And so it turned out. When she was quite young the State education system where she lived used her handwriting as the exemplar for all the schools
Cheers
Russell
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Post by maat on Feb 5, 2008 2:50:37 GMT
well one point i would make is that allthough u have a theory that seems to work, it doesnt mean aother possibilities are not also possible. the information suggests that there is some sort of connection between these people. there is nothing to suggest anything byond that. another possibility might be that one person is somehow tapping into the memory of another. it seems like kind of a leap of faith to go directly to the reincarnation model. You would probably think I was nuts if I told you that an apparition that I took to be somewhat higher on the evolutionary scale to me told me reincarnation was so, so I won't tell you that, however, I have a much deeper appreciation for what the deacons of a lodge might represent now. Maat
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Post by maat on Feb 5, 2008 2:55:28 GMT
Then I recalled an artist friend who had spent lives in monasteries doing illuminated manuscripts Wasn't the one who couldn't spell 'celebrate' was it.... left out the 'r'... Maat
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