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Post by Tamrin on Apr 18, 2008 12:55:30 GMT
>This is supposed to be part of the reason we have back problems
Other weaknesses are:
- eyes that don't work well in bright sunlight - eyes that don't work well at night - skin that burns in the sun - bodies that need clothes in both hot and cold climates - the young of the species cannot care for themselves for more than a decade - bodies that are weak compared with similarly sized animals
Perhaps evolution does not really explain the human. If nothing else, these circumstances debunk the notion of a perfect creation. Clearly we do not have all the answers and probably never will (I am suspicious of those who claim that such is even possible). One can keep an open mind and tend toward the most credible theories, while putting to one side those espoused without reason. One hypothesis which may lend itself to a broader understanding of the above circumstances is a moderate version of Hardy's Aquatic ape theory.
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Post by maximus on Apr 18, 2008 13:20:52 GMT
The Aquatic Ape Theory seems to have some very salient points. I had not ran across this one before. Thanks for the link, Phillip.
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Post by hollandr on Apr 18, 2008 22:26:05 GMT
I had a quick read of the site. It says: Two kinds of habitat are known to give rise to naked mammals - a subterranean one or a wet one.
But it only pursues the wet one.
The native traditions of humans are filled with references to the underworld. But there are few legends of humans emerging from the water.
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 18, 2008 22:50:37 GMT
I had a quick read of the site. It says: Two kinds of habitat are known to give rise to naked mammals - a subterranean one or a wet one.
But it only pursues the wet one.
The native traditions of humans are filled with references to the underworld. But there are few legends of humans emerging from the water. Nakedness was only one of many characteristics addressed by this fringe theory and one of only a few which might also lend themselves to a subterranean theory. The existence of some native, subterranean legends may be due to the underworld so clearly lending itself to allegorical allusions (do you really believe Hell is under your feet?). Regarding the lack of scientific attention to the subterranean theory, I suggest this is largely because we are so clearly not well suited to digging without the use of tools. As to there only being a few legends of humans emerging from the water, FWIW, they are common. Indeed, YOU have raised some but have interpreted them as aliens emerging from the sea.
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Post by hollandr on Apr 18, 2008 23:17:40 GMT
>do you really believe Hell is under your feet?
Philip
It may be useful to distinguish theology from native legends
>I suggest this is because we are not well suited to digging without the use of tools
There may be naturally formed caverns and tunnel systems - for example from ancient volcanic activity
And perhaps an underworld might have inherited great civil constructions like the pyramids of egypt
Blavatsky told us that it was possible to walk by tunnels from the Andes to the Himalayas
I wonder if Shakespeare had that sort of thing in mind when Hamlet says: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 18, 2008 23:25:46 GMT
>do you really believe Hell is under your feet?
Philip
It may be useful to distinguish theology from native legends Do they? >I suggest this is because we are not well suited to digging without the use of tools
There may be naturally formed caverns and tunnel systems - for example from ancient volcanic activity
And perhaps an underworld might have inherited great civil constructions like the pyramids of egypt
Blavatsky told us that it was possible to walk by tunnels from the Andes to the Himalayas
I wonder if Shakespeare had that sort of thing in mind when Hamlet says: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." In this instance we are addressing the natural selection of inheritable characteristics. If we are capable of a subterranean existence as we are and have ever been, then that is beside the point.
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Post by hollandr on May 20, 2008 8:53:57 GMT
I see that human-animal hybrid cells reported on the TV tonight
I wonder what sort of humanoids those cells would produce if allowed to grow.
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Post by willied77 on May 20, 2008 21:03:28 GMT
Mmmmm
I can't remember where I heard this, but it strikes a tone here.
God creates Man, Man destroys God, Man plays at God, God destroys Man.
The law has been passed in the Uk to allow animal/human hybrid 'testing'. IMO it is a step into the wrong direction
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Post by lauderdale on May 20, 2008 21:22:03 GMT
My late mother had 5 years of Alzheimer's which changed her from a cheery and lovely little old lady of 80 to a vegetable when death released her at the age of 85 not to mention the effects on my father watching the wife to whom he had been married for 54 years degenerate as a result of this horrible disease. If such research can spare others from this curse and that of MS, Motor Neuron and other such illnesses then to me it is a price worth paying.
I would have my reservations were they to create a homunculus by implanting such a fertilised egg and allowing it to grow to term but as I understand matters this will not be permitted.
I can remember some who condemned transplants when they first occured, now they are no longer even noteworthy.
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Post by hollandr on May 20, 2008 22:40:28 GMT
>now they are no longer even noteworthy.
Except when the recipient takes on the persona of the donor
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Post by maat on May 20, 2008 23:54:49 GMT
DNA
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Post by maximus on May 21, 2008 15:45:43 GMT
There may be naturally formed caverns and tunnel systems - for example from ancient volcanic activity And perhaps an underworld might have inherited great civil constructions like the pyramids of egypt I am of the opnion that human civilisation is much older than we think. I believe that we have reached a high level of civilisation, only to be thrown back to a stone-age existance by natural disaster of word-wide proportions, possibly a cometary strike. this would explain many archeological anomilies, and account for legends of emerging from underground, as well as flood legends.
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Post by lauderdale on May 21, 2008 16:09:12 GMT
Isn't that called the "Lambda Theory"
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Post by willied77 on May 21, 2008 16:52:25 GMT
My late mother had 5 years of Alzheimer's which changed her from a cheery and lovely little old lady of 80 to a vegetable when death released her at the age of 85 not to mention the effects on my father watching the wife to whom he had been married for 54 years degenerate as a result of this horrible disease. If such research can spare others from this curse and that of MS, Motor Neuron and other such illnesses then to me it is a price worth paying. I can see your point in cases such as this. Indeed the loss of a loved one through such illnesses such as Alzheimers is horrowing for those in close relations to the sufferer. But there must be other methods of finding a cure not yet explored. For you can quote me on this, it is human nature to mis-use new scientific break throughs against other humans. The most recent being the splitting of the Atom. When einstein had realised what he had created he has been quoted as saying ' What have I done?' He knew exactly what the new technology would have been used for. Instead of the DNA experimentation, IMO we should be looking to the East, namely Asia, and trying to unravel how thier understanding of the practice of Chi and Acupuncture really works. In this I think we could have the potential to unlocking and solving practically every human disease or illness.
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Post by maximus on May 21, 2008 17:34:20 GMT
Isn't that called the "Lambda Theory"I thought that was an algebraic theory?
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Post by lauderdale on May 21, 2008 18:54:21 GMT
As I understand it, the Lambda Theory holds that Humanity has in the past reached a very high level of technology, perhaps even higher than we have today, but this has contained the seeds of it own destruction and using it for an evil purpose, e.g. Nuclear Weapons instead of Nuclear Power Stations, Germ Warfare instead of Vaccines to prevent disease etc , has caused us to regress to the level of the cavemen and have to start the long climb up again. I am not saying that I believe it but that is how I understand the concept.
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Post by alchymicalmason on May 23, 2008 11:52:09 GMT
Immanual Velikovsky gives good evidence for the Lambda Theory in his books. www.varchive.org/www.knowledge.co.uk/velikovsky/ages.htmHe was much criticized by academia at the time of their writing. However, as with many enlightened individuals, his writings became more popular and respected after his death. This, I am sure, is due to the numerous scientific discoveries that have been made since the 1950's. There are a lot more scientists and archaeologists now who are validating the theory that mankind has been around for millions of years and that our time here on Earth is cyclical. I believe that part of he process of entering into this new age of enlightenment will shed light on this subject and hopefully, give us more understanding of our past! I think it was Winston Churchill who said "You can't know where you are going unless you know where you have been".
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Post by Tamrin on May 23, 2008 22:54:53 GMT
He was much criticized by academia at the time of their writing. However, as with many enlightened individuals, his writings became more popular and respected after his death. This, I am sure, is due to the numerous scientific discoveries that have been made since the 1950's. With the profound advances in cosmology, it would be more honest and accurate to say that most of his "unproven" predictions have, along with his general theory, been falsified: Of the "proven" predictions, none seem all that remarkable. Bearing-in-mind that Velikovsky's qualifications were in medicine, psychiatry and psychoanalysis, he would have had to acquaint himself with some cosmological possibilities to add credibility to his tendentious account.
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Post by maat on May 26, 2008 1:00:22 GMT
[ Instead of the DNA experimentation, IMO we should be looking to the East, namely Asia, and trying to unravel how thier understanding of the practice of Chi and Acupuncture really works. In this I think we could have the potential to unlocking and solving practically every human disease or illness. Hi Willied77 Chi is one of over 700 recorded names for the various forms of life energy. Some of these names include: Prana, Ki, Ruach, Telesma, Nous, Yesod, Pneuma, Holy Spirit, Wodan, Facultas Formatrix, Vril, Mana, Manitu, Sila, Nungo, Wong, Ngal, Njom, Ayik, Odic Force, Orgone, Elan Vital, Bioplasma, Psionics, Dielectric Energy, Innergy, Synergy, Noetic Energy, etc etc And there does seem to be a connection to DNA.. Bioplasma photonichuman.50megs.com/photo4.htmlAnd DNA could be the clue to health and longevity.. "It appears that the key to great physical longevity is the discovery of a method for effecting the repair of DNA. Accumulated damage to the DNA has been called one of the major factors in aging. It is also generally considered to be a major factor in cancer, aids and other degenerative diseases." www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/dna.htmSo, as has long been said ... meditation, prayer, positive thinking, music, laughter can help to make you healthy. Maat
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Post by maat on May 26, 2008 1:01:51 GMT
Alchymical - if you use the search engine above and search out Velikovsy you will find a previous thread re his work. I think he is wonderful.
Maat
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