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Post by mattjtayl on Mar 1, 2008 18:40:22 GMT
I have been in lodge oh 1 1/2 - 2 years now. I was just curious if there were any astrology ties in freemasonry at all.
My girlfriend follows horoscopes and use to be big in astrology. I really don't know much about it, but recently started researching it. I never really gave it much attention before, but after looking at my sun sign: Scorpio and my moon sign: aquarias the combination of the two did seem to describe me very well, a little too well.
But horoscopes I really don't take seriously just something for entertainment.
so any connection to freemasonry that anyone knows of?
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Post by willied77 on Mar 2, 2008 1:12:33 GMT
Mmmm a difficult question to answer. The best way for me, to word it, is for YOU to find whatever connection there is for yourself. Once you have, post back here with your results. I'm sure you'll find info worth posting
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Post by hollandr on Mar 2, 2008 1:18:26 GMT
It may be worth distinguishing predictive astrology from a study of the stars as entities within Creation
"He read in the stars, and strange secrets he saw, and he spoke again Low, with bated breath and fearful, of the thing that is called the Grail In a cluster of stars was it written, the name nor their lore shall fail"
In Masonry there are many references to the stars but who can read them?
Cheers
Russell
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Post by maat on Mar 2, 2008 22:44:54 GMT
I was just curious if there were any astrology ties in freemasonry at all. There are plenty of heavenly bodies to be found in Masonry! It is helpful to view them as fields of force or influence. The moon affects the oceans, the sun affects everything, yet these heavenly bodies are insignificant in size compared to stars elsewhere - why would we not consider that they have an influence also. You will find it very helpful and educative to take the key words for the Zodiac and create a story line. ie... Cancer = Nurturing, Leo = Ruler, etc etc In Royal Arch we are informed we are to travel the road of experience in all areas if we are to reach the heights. In the case above, we are also told that the people who have instilled a nurturing nature into their core being make the best rulers.... Cancer is followed by Leo. Your friend will help you with your own idea of the map or plan for the Soul. I would be very interested to see it on a new thread of its own. Maat
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Post by imakegarb on Mar 2, 2008 23:18:05 GMT
*I* usually study the astronomy side of astrology. A number of Masonic authors have, for generations, made reference to astrology/astronomy and Freemasonry. So quite a few have made that connection. Among my faves is Albert Pikes reference to the three lights of a Masonic Lodge, Sun, Moon and Mercury "except that for Mercury, the Master of the Lodge has been absurdly substituted." Pike makes this reference in his Magnum Opus (not available online anywhere so far as I know) and in his "Morals and Dogma" in his chapter on the Prince of the Tabernacle. Others have noted the ritual seems to follow planetary movements and there are clear references to the position of the sun and other heavenly bodies. But as to your question, *are* there, in fact, any astrological ties in Freemasonry . . . sometimes, she just smiles
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 12, 2008 22:32:20 GMT
Pike makes this reference in his Magnum Opus (not available online anywhere so far as I know) and in his "Morals and Dogma" in his chapter on the Prince of the Tabernacle. I had thought Morals and Dogma was Pike's magnum opus (great work)!? Mattjtayl might try to obtain the 1918 Transactions of the Sydney Lodge of Research, No. 290, UGL, NSW (now The Research Lodge of New South Wales, No. 971 UGL of NSW & ACT). Therein is an article by C.A. Elliott entitled, 'The Astronomy of Freemasonry.'
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Post by imakegarb on Apr 13, 2008 5:45:14 GMT
Sorry Bro. Philip, I'm just now seeing this.
Albert Pike wrote a number of books. Among them his "Magnum Opus", which is a little difficult to find. I have a PDF copy.
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Post by droche on Apr 13, 2008 20:14:27 GMT
Fairly close by to me is what is known as a "Moon Lodge," the reason being that the Lodge meets on the Wednesday of the full moon or the nearest Wednesday prior to the full moon. In other words, a full moon takes place next Sunday, April 20, so the Lodge will meet this coming Wednesday, April 16. Whether this has any connection to Astrology, I don't know.
Perhaps someone else can shed some light on this? This is the only Lodge that I know of that schedules it's meetings like that.
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 13, 2008 21:44:45 GMT
My mother lodge, Thistle Kilwinning (No. 54, UGL NSW & ACT) originally met on the Wednesday closest to the full moon. A pragmatic reason given for this was that, in the days before motor vehicles and street lighting, it was safer to venture out on moon lit nights, rather than in the dark (particularly after the South, when a Brother who had over imbibed might otherwise end up in a ditch—akin to Hogarth's, Night).
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Post by maat on Apr 13, 2008 23:51:47 GMT
Why is Easter a moveable feast? Why is the date we celebrate it related to the (Pascall) Full Moon?
Why is the Full Moon in May celebrated by Buddhist and some esoteric groups. The Wesak Full Moon. Prince Siddhatta Gautama – who later, after enlightenment, became known as the Buddha – is said to have been born, become enlightened and died on a full moon in May.
Magha Puja Day (Fourfold Assembly or "Sangha Day") Magha Puja Day takes places on the full moon day of the third lunar month (March)
Asalha Puja Day ("Dhamma Day") Asalha Puja means to pay homage to the Buddha on the full moon day of the 8th lunar month (approximately July).
Uposatha (Observance Day) The four monthly holy days which continue to be observed in Theravada countries - the new moon, full moon, and quarter moon days. Known in Sri Lanka as Poya Day.
Pagans advertise the full moon dates well ahead of time... Full Moon Dates for 2008 - below if you are interested (found it accidentally)
Tues Jan 22 Thur Feb 21 Sat Mar 22 Sun Apr 20 Tues May 20 Thur Jun 19 Fri Jul 18 Sun Aug 17 Mon Sep 15 Wed Oct 15 Thur Nov 13 Sat Dec 13
It is interesting to note that the Moon is represented as a Goddess. Could this Goddess be related to the Widow?
Maat
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Post by maat on Apr 13, 2008 23:55:59 GMT
Something else to consider... In his introduction The Sufis, a book he co-wrote with Idries Shah, Graves translates a poem of the Sufi mystic Ibn Arabi (1165-1240) which illustrates a triple goddess as a theme among medieval Sufis:I follow the religion of Love, Now I am sometimes called A Shepherd of gazelles And now a Christian monk, And now a Persian sage. My beloved is three- Three yet only one; Many things appear as three, Which are no more than one. Give Her no name, As if to limit one At sight of Whom All limitation is confounded. In this book, Robert Graves and Idries Shah explore the influences that medieval Kabbalah and pre-Islamic Sufi beliefs had on surviving pre-Christian folk-traditions in Europe.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_GoddessThe Sufis were noted for disseminating their knowledge through many a varied avenues, they sigil was the bee. Any bees in Masonry? Maat
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Post by maximus on Apr 14, 2008 0:21:45 GMT
My mother lodge, Thistle Kilwinning (No. 54, UGL NSW & ACT) originally met on the Wednesday closest to the full moon. A pragmatic reason given for this was that, in the days before motor vehicles and street lighting, it was safer to venture out on moon lit nights, rather than in the dark (particularly after the South, when a Brother who had over imbibed might otherwise end up in a ditch—akin to Hogarth's, Night). That's a plausible explaination. As Bro. Theron is fond of quoting: "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." Not everything has an esoteric purpose.
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Post by hollandr on Apr 14, 2008 0:42:37 GMT
> it was safer to venture out on moon lit nights,
On the other hand "Hindu, Thai, Hebrew, Islamic, Tibetan, Mayan, Neopagan, Celtic, and the traditional Chinese calendars are all based on the phases of the Moon"
Perhaps some ancient usages and customs are preserved in Masonic traditions
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Post by droche on Apr 14, 2008 0:45:35 GMT
My mother lodge, Thistle Kilwinning (No. 54, UGL NSW & ACT) originally met on the Wednesday closest to the full moon. A pragmatic reason given for this was that, in the days before motor vehicles and street lighting, it was safer to venture out on moon lit nights, rather than in the dark (particularly after the South, when a Brother who had over imbibed might otherwise end up in a ditch—akin to Hogarth's, Night). Well that would make sense in this case since the Lodge is in a remote rural area and even now the road it is on is not well lit. It has been years since I have been there but I remember going past it or almost going past it every time I went there it was so dark. I just wasn't sure if there were some esoteric reason related to Astrology for it that I was not aware of.
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Post by matt on Apr 15, 2008 4:29:01 GMT
I have been in lodge oh 1 1/2 - 2 years now. I was just curious if there were any astrology ties in freemasonry at all. You might enjoy Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy by Brother Robert Hewitt Brown. It gives a pretty good introduction to the subject of the Solar Myth within Masonry. As far as Pike's Magnum Opus is concerned, it is his original draft of the Scottish Rite degrees. Morals and Dogma are his lectures on those degrees. In Pike's version of the 3rd degree he goes into pretty good detail about what aspects of the psyche the various planets represent in the Scottish Rite.
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Post by ricardo on Apr 18, 2008 14:46:57 GMT
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Post by beersheva on Mar 1, 2014 19:50:30 GMT
ASTROLOGY is a KEY to the MYSTERIES of Gnosticism, Alchemy, Hermeticism and kabbalah.
Rabbi Moshe Chaim Luzzatto, a very great kabbalist who wrote....Derek ha Shem, the WAY OF GOD, explains the kabbalistic view of the ZODIACAL and PLANETARY system in place that governs the physical universe.
Look at Alchemical symoblism that often repeats itself with the Sun and the Moon at the top sides of an image, with the other planets descending along either of the sides and Mercury directly at the top of the image. We are constantly directed to the "seven" planets, and to behold an ongoing operation regarding them. VITRIOL.
The BEMBINE TABLET of ISIS, with comments by WESTCOTT, LEVI and M P Hall.
ASTROLOGY is a great ART and SCIENCE which can accurately assess a persons' personality, his mind, emotions, spirituality, and his physical nature. The ASTROLOGER must have attainment in his/her ART. Planets in the Zodiacal Sign of SCORPIO, and the relative importance and placement of the trans-SATURNIAN planets in a persons' chart are the primary indicators determining a soul capable of comprehended and receiving the "MYSTERIES", all according to the will of the Holy One, the GAOTU.
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