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Post by zionite on Apr 18, 2008 8:10:46 GMT
Do Freemasons worship jews or something?
because George Bush is a Freemason and he loves them and helps Israel out too much.
Also i dont ever recall seeing a President of USA that wasnt a Freemason. USA always helps Israel even if it isnt George Bush. is their a vote in USA that says kill innocent Palestinians for the Jewish state located in Palestine or is American Parliament run by jews?
i hope im not coming off anti-semetic but im just saying there is too much bias towards Israel and the jews.
thank you
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Post by hollandr on Apr 18, 2008 9:18:37 GMT
Hi Zionite >Do Freemasons worship jews or something? No But in many lodges the Old Testament is used as the Volume of the Sacred Law. If the candidate is not of a Christian background another sacred book may be used >George Bush is a Freemason That is news to me. Is there any evidence? Can you give the name of his lodge so that his membership can be checked? >helps Israel out too much That seems more a political question so this is not the best forum to answer that. > i dont ever recall seeing a President of USA that wasnt a Freemason It looks like about 30% of Presidents were Freemasons but not so much recently. mastermason.com/wilmettepark/pres.html>USA always helps Israel even if it isnt George Bush. is their a vote in USA that says kill innocent Palestinians for the Jewish state located in Palestine or is American Parliament run by jews? Back to politics again. Try another forum for answers >there is too much bias towards Israel and the jews. Generally Freemasons in English-speaking countries do not have an agreed position on politics. Politics (and religion) are regarded as too divisive, so that discussion in lodges is discouraged If you have questions specifically about Freemasonry, feel free to ask them. Cheers Russell
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Post by penfold on Apr 18, 2008 10:36:10 GMT
Most of your post, as Russell has signalled, is utterly incorrect
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Post by corab on Apr 18, 2008 11:37:23 GMT
I think what you need to understand, Zionite (interesting name btw in the context of this post), is that freemasonry doesn't take over your life. We remain first and foremost human beings.
Which is to say that the decisions we make outwith the lodge are made by the human being, not the freemason. Our masonry and the morals it inculcates should hopefully inform our decisions, but it doesn't make them.
You're barking up the wrong tree, my friend. Masonry is not a Zionist movement. There certainly are Jewish Brn:. among us, just as there are those of Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist and many other spiritual inclinations you may care to list, but craft masonry itself does not subscribe to any one particular school of spiritual thought.
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Post by leonardo on Apr 18, 2008 12:19:30 GMT
Zionite, welcome to the forum and thank you for your questions, which in my view demonstrate you are not simply accepting what you heard or read.
You will, of course, hear lots of nonsense spoken and written about Freemasons and Freemasonry, such is the way of life. I feel, however, your post is a wonderful example of why forums like this are so important; those with such distorted views on freemasonry can have their questions answered directly and honestly.
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Post by zionite on Apr 19, 2008 11:54:17 GMT
well i didnt want to be criticised by my questions
i knopw my questions were political but you have to expect that when George Bush the President of The United Sates is a Free Mason. ex-president Bill Klinton aswell and George Bush sr. befoere him. Not to mention Raegan and Nixon.
i have proof on this. also USA is bias to Israel only because of their Political leaders. USA has given over 100 Billion dollars aid to israel over the last 60 or so years.
also i have nothing against free masons. i know These Presidents are bad people. but thats ot freemasons fault that is theres. Its like judging the Religion of Islams 1.5 Billion or so members because of a few terrorists.
sorry if i offended any Freemasons but i am just wandering if its true. I just wanted to hear it from a Free Masons. I have many other questions i want to know and wandered if you could help.
Thank you Brothers
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Post by leonardo on Apr 19, 2008 12:05:11 GMT
well i didnt want to be criticised by my questions i knopw my questions were political but you have to expect that when George Bush the President of The United Sates is a Free Mason. ex-president Bill Klinton aswell and George Bush sr. befoere him. Not to mention Raegan and Nixon. i have proof on this. Really? Please share. You haven't offended us with your questions; we are well accustomed with the nonsense that is written on the Internet and elsewhere about our Fraternity, so such questions are to be expected
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Post by hollandr on Apr 19, 2008 13:32:24 GMT
> you have to expect that when George Bush the President of The United Sates is a Free Mason. ex-president Bill Klinton aswell and George Bush sr.
Zionite
If the Bushes and Clinton are Freemasons then they must have been raised in a lodge and that raising will have been recorded. As I have not seen the lodge numbers quoted for any of those 3 I doubt that they are Freemasons.
(If you look at the bottom of this post you can see my lodge name and number and its Grand Lodge. This allows anyone to check my identity)
The Bushes and Clinton may however belong to other organisations like the Skull and Bones that have nothing to do with Freemasonry.
If you have questions about Freemasonry please ask them. But it may be that you need to focus on Freemasonry as it is rather than as depicted in the confused accounts on the web
Cheers
Russell
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Post by billmcelligott on Apr 19, 2008 20:30:25 GMT
OK lets look at some facts and leave the rhetoric to the David Icke sites. qesdb.usaid.gov/gbk/ go to here and click on "US Assistance Per Capita Data Since 1950:" this will give a firm perspective of how much aid the US has given per head to each Country. Isreal is number 11 on the list just behind Jordan. bessel.org/presfmy.htm Is a list of Presidents prepared by Freemasons from information gathered from Grand Lodges. Here and on other forum you will find Freemasons quite happy to be challenged on the integrity of Freemasonry, so that is not a problem. But please go and check your research and make up your own mind. As with all the 'David Icke' style propaganda, I have to say, in the words of the song, " It ain't necessarily so. " The things you is liable to read in Dave's Bible " It ain't necessarily so. "
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Post by leonardo on Apr 19, 2008 21:26:59 GMT
Great links Bill, but unfortunately their use may well be lost on those who really aren't all that interested in truth. Hopefully zionite's mind is not so closed that a little light can't get through
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Post by maximus on Apr 19, 2008 21:49:54 GMT
Do Freemasons worship jews or something? Zionite, you must expect a certian amount of critisism when asking seemingly deliberately provocative questions such as the above. The plethora of accurate information on the internet should give one a good overview as to what the Craft is about. One must inform one's self as to a subject by using accurate information, instead of drawing conclusions from conspiracy websites and the rantings of fundamentalists of various stripes. We are endowed with the faculty of reason, and it is incumbant upon us to develop this ability and to use discernment when considering information. One must take into account the underlying agenda behind the anti-masonic movement, which, in my opinion, constitutes deliberate ignorance and mental laziness. Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for such. It is an initiatory society that furnishes one with a set of symbols, that may be applied to one's life to improve one's self in our interaction with our fellow humans. No one is "worshiping Jews," Freemasons are not trying to control the world's political ideologies, we do not use influence to insert Masons into positions of authority (such is expressly forbidden). The use of Solomon's Temple in Masonry is metaphorical. George Bush and Bill Clinton were not Freemasons, but Bonesmen, which has no connection to Freemasonry whatsoever. Richard Nixion was not, that I am awaare, a Mason. Ronald Reagan was made an honorary AASR Mason. Please carefully formulate your questions if you wish to truely gain knowledge.
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Post by sid on Apr 19, 2008 22:02:16 GMT
Do Freemasons worship jews or something? The use of Soloman's Temple in Masonry is metaphorical. Interestingly, the word 'Zion' also has the value of 156. The number 36 when triangulated is 666 and look at what has been claimed about this number. Thankfully, no one can claim ownership of numbers
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Post by zionite on Apr 20, 2008 13:03:36 GMT
Great links Bill, but unfortunately their use may well be lost on those who really aren't all that interested in truth. Hopefully zionite's mind is not so closed that a little light can't get through cmon a bit of respect please. you seem a bit ignorant to say my mind is closed. Suddenly you can question my interlectial capacity because of a simple forum thread? like i said i do not believe these things that ive said. i just wanted to know whats going on.
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Post by leonardo on Apr 20, 2008 14:56:22 GMT
Zionite, I was initially prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt in the hope you were a genuine seeker of Truth rather than someone deliberately out to add to the already existing confusion found on the Net. But your continuing antagonistic attitude gives me the impression you have little real interest in leaning from your visits, demonstrated (in my view) by the way you have ignored posts which have responded directly to your questions.
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Post by penfold on Apr 20, 2008 19:45:38 GMT
Suddenly you can question my interlectial capacity because of a simple forum thread? Ack-chooly, just on that sentence buddy..... ;D
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Post by hollandr on Apr 20, 2008 20:11:25 GMT
Come on guys let's give Zionite a chance
And Zionite, perhaps you might like to ask a question that is more about Masonry than about your perceptions of world politics
Cheers
Russell
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Post by maximus on Apr 21, 2008 1:28:41 GMT
And use capitalisation and proper sentence stucture.
And present cogent questions.
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Post by kaniball2 on Dec 7, 2008 18:50:49 GMT
interesting question though. I hope he isnt anti- semetic but i would like to know if there is any links
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Post by alexdestroy on May 17, 2009 21:28:29 GMT
because George Bush is a Freemason and he loves them and helps Israel out too much. George Bush is not a Freemason. I precisely know. Learnt from the mason. If ÷åëîâê not the mason, it is possible to confirm it.
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Post by youngwolf on Jul 19, 2009 23:40:51 GMT
Last US President that was a Freemason was Gerald Ford. Grand Lodge of Michigan and his home lodge was in Grand Rapids IIRC.
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