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Post by maat on May 7, 2008 7:01:40 GMT
I had the occasional clairvoyant experience before the clairaudient ones. I also had other full coloured lucid dreams before the visual greyout with the voice.
Listening to those more advanced than me, it seems that they generally see before they hear. Most don't hear.
Maat
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Post by corab on May 7, 2008 7:34:09 GMT
>It's called the Astral temple, and it's still done. Are the instructors able to inspect the visualisation directly? Do you want to identify the organisation? It is also still done in some Wiccan traditions. Being the rationalist that I am I also wonder whether the candidate perhaps told anyone how he visualises his Temple and that this information subsequently came to the HP/S, though. A more common practice, to my knowledge, is for the coven to actually agree on what their Temple looks like, and that information is then passed on to the young initiate to meditate upon. I suppose it is a fair enough starting point, and that with practice it is indeed possible to meet and work in the Astral Temple.
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Post by corab on May 7, 2008 7:36:50 GMT
Could it be that clairaudience develops before clairvoyance? Interesting question. I am so completely not visual nor auditive for that matter -- my "vice" is clairsentience. I just know things I can't possibly know, you know? Where does that sit?
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Post by imakegarb on May 7, 2008 7:44:44 GMT
I wonder if the part of the mind is a higher part and perhaps less used From what he told me, it's new lines of thought. My thinking is multi-linear. Difficult to explain but it's like one very HUGE RJ-45 cable with a heck of a lot more than eight pairs twisted into one thick band. They vibrate constantly, it never stops. Sometimes there are really serious attenuation problems and . . . anyway, he said it was new areas. New lines. Undeveloped. But they'll fill in later. The word he used, by way of explaining where the new lines came from, was "evolution".
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Post by hollandr on May 7, 2008 9:38:15 GMT
>I also wonder whether the candidate perhaps told anyone how he visualises his Temple
The visualisation if done carefully appears as a small structure just in front of the 3rd eye where it can be inspected
>clairvoyant experience before the clairaudient ones.
That is the usual order.
But the sense of touch - clairsentience usually is present before clairvoyance
The inner senses can be augmented temporarily by the auric presence of a being whose those senses well developed.
And in some cases transfer of subtle substance may result in permanent improvement of inner senses
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Post by hollandr on May 7, 2008 9:42:23 GMT
>From what he told me, it's new lines of thought
This can be in 2 forms:
- concepts that have not been previously considered - e.g. that one's religion is not what the church proposes
- concepts that exist at a higher frequency than that normally used in the mind. e.g. moving from conceptualising a personal god to conceptualising a transpersonal god
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Post by corab on May 7, 2008 10:04:13 GMT
But the sense of touch - clairsentience usually is present before clairvoyance Am I using the wrong word here? My experience is that I know things that I cannot know -- nothing to do with touch. And I mean truly, deeply, irrefutably knowing; not just a vague hint. What do you call that?
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Post by corab on May 7, 2008 10:05:46 GMT
Ah. Wikipedia has just informed me that it's called "claircognisance". Gosh -- always used the wrong word there!
You would've thought that I'd have KNOWN better! *G*
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Post by hollandr on May 7, 2008 11:35:11 GMT
> Wikipedia has just informed me that it's called "claircognisance"
I would have thought that the more traditional term was intuition
But that needs to be distinguished from instinct/hunch
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Post by Tamrin on May 7, 2008 12:14:37 GMT
But the sense of touch - clairsentience usually is present before clairvoyance Some masonic signs give some idea of this: For a fuller tactile experience try Tai Chi.
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Post by maat on May 8, 2008 0:11:15 GMT
But the sense of touch - clairsentience usually is present before clairvoyance That fits with me. I can run my hands over a person's body, about 6" away, and feel where the problem is. Sort of pulsating feel. Can't remember when I couldn't do this. I also do Therapeutic Touch for clearing workmates headaches etc. Very affective. I have also discovered that I can detect energy lines from the earth if I really concentrate and walk with my palms parallel to the earth. Which reminds me of the Left Foot thread.... I sometimes have trouble with the left hand constantly pulsating more strongly than the right, which makes it harder to locate specific spots ... any relationship left hand/ left foot? Maat
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Post by hollandr on May 8, 2008 0:18:33 GMT
>I sometimes have trouble with the left hand constantly pulsating more strongly than the right
I would hypothesise an energy blockage - perhaps at the wrist. When the hand next pulsates use downward stroking motions (with the right hand) from above the left wrist and past the fingers with the intent to relieve any blockage. If that reduces the pulsation then you probably are blocking flows in that hand
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Post by corab on May 8, 2008 11:32:59 GMT
> Wikipedia has just informed me that it's called "claircognisance" I would have thought that the more traditional term was intuition But that needs to be distinguished from instinct/hunch I don't know if that is necessarily true, but can obviously only speak from my own experience. For me, intuition comes with expressions of "I feel", or "I have a gut feeling that...". It is not certain; just a very strong feeling that what you first perceived as a hunch is actually being guided by something more definite. Hunches you can readily ignore; intuition impresses itself more strong upon you. But you can still overrule it with reason. Claircognisance, to me, is an absolute knowing. I can't ignore it, and I can't overrule it, no matter how hard at times I may want to. And boy, do I want to, sometimes! I got my knickers in a twist with the word because of a mistranslation from my mothertongue, I think. I have always known this thing as "helderwetendheid" -- clear-knowing. I mistook "sentience" in clairsentience to mean something similar to sentience as in "sentient being" ... easy mistake to make, right?
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Post by hollandr on May 8, 2008 12:41:27 GMT
> intuition comes with expressions of "I feel", or "I have a gut feeling that...".
In my view intuition is heart knowledge while instinct is in the solar plexus (gut)
Both the heart and solar plexus tend to be more accurate than the mind because they are more commonly unified than the mind
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Post by maat on May 9, 2008 0:27:42 GMT
I was standing behind someone once at a Reiki class and I felt a stong and distinct extraction of energy from the solar plexus - it literally took my breath away. I was left wondering what happened. Never happened before and hasn't happened since. But I did not like it.
Maat
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Post by hollandr on May 9, 2008 0:42:58 GMT
>I felt a stong and distinct extraction of energy from the solar plexus - it literally took my breath away.
Visualise your stomach area on etheric and astral levels.
Do you see a large indentation as if some substance is missing?
If so then substance has been taken away and you may wish to recover it to make yourself whole
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Post by corab on May 9, 2008 11:54:10 GMT
> intuition comes with expressions of "I feel", or "I have a gut feeling that...". In my view intuition is heart knowledge while instinct is in the solar plexus (gut) Both the heart and solar plexus tend to be more accurate than the mind because they are more commonly unified than the mind Imagine then what happens when they unite with the mind! This is, I believe, exactly what happens in claircognisance. Solar plexus, heart and crown chakras uniting in one single knowledge of the information received. And perhaps then clairaudience could be associated with the throat chakra, and clairvoyance with the 3rd eye chakra. In claircognisance the information is received through the crown chakra -- you can't possibly doubt it, because it comes from your own, higher self. Used intelligently, you run it past your other senses first; challenge it, but find nothing to challenge. That information is then fed back up to the mind where you confirm that what you first received is indeed correct. One single, upward flowing stream of information. Thoughts?
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Post by hollandr on May 9, 2008 12:16:54 GMT
>Solar plexus, heart and crown chakras uniting in one single knowledge of the information received.
There is no doubt that as the human gains integrity (oneness) there will be coherence and then integration in the inner senses. (Integration comes about as the beings of the lower chakras are replaced by a higher being)
>And perhaps then clairaudience could be associated with the throat chakra, and clairvoyance with the 3rd eye chakra.
Certainly clairvoyance is associated with the third eye but that association is accurate only when the sight is on the higher subplanes of the mental. It is more common to be astrally clairvoyant using the solar plexus chakra
>In claircognisance the information is received through the crown chakra
I have not seen too many humans that are conscious in the crown chakra.
>you can't possibly doubt it,
I remember many years ago I was deep in meditation and I heard a voice speak to me. It was perfectly clear to me without any conceptual process that it was God speaking to me. But I was so deep in meditation that I could not recall what He(?) said
>Used intelligently, you run it past your other senses first; challenge it, but find nothing to challenge.
It is generally a good thing to do to check incoming information against other data but not always practical for example if action has to be immediate
I recall driving along a narrow road in the Scottish Highlands and coming to a blind corner. The thought came "this is dangerous" so I braked sharply and immediately a car came around rather fast on the wrong side of the road but there was sufficient distance for him to avoid me.
>One single, upward flowing stream of information.
Information is that which enters the form. And having been entered the form may be ready to dance
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Post by corab on May 9, 2008 19:27:35 GMT
Wow, this is turning out to be a really enlightening thread There is no doubt that as the human gains integrity (oneness) there will be coherence and then integration in the inner senses. (Integration comes about as the beings of the lower chakras are replaced by a higher being) That is interesting -- it seems to express in esoteric terms what Jung terms "individuation"; the union of Conscious and Unconscious. Recently, I have come to look at the Unconscious as the higher self rather than our lower nature. Or perhaps I should quantify that: the Unconcious seems to be in closer touch with our higher selves that we, consciously, are. Hence the practice of meditation -- to descend into the Unconscious and obtain information inaccessible to our Conscious awareness. But this "a higher being" you speak of -- is that our own higher self, or are you referring to another higher being infusing our lower nature? That rings a bell. Something to do with duplication of planes in the mental and etheric body, isn't it? (In case you hadn't noticed: I know very little about all this. I'm talking from ... well, can't really call it gut instinct; intuition, I suppose?) I wouldn't know how to recognise them, but then again I didn't claim to be conscious in the crown chakra. All I know is that I feel this is where the information comes from. I literally describe it as information "being dropped in the back of my head" -- it's slight off-centre, ever so slightly leaning towards the back half but still in the top of my head. Don't know how else to describe it. I recognise this. It is a very rare experience, I guess. I remember one time being in very deep meditation and encountering one of the arch angels. I remember his eyes were different colours; one blue, one green, and I remember him (?) wearing a medallion with a blood red symbol, and clear as it may have been in my mind's eye, I cannot remember it. It's in the back of my mind, but the moment I try to focus on it, it goes. Hmmm. I may have to ponder that a bit more!
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Post by hollandr on May 10, 2008 0:36:42 GMT
>I have come to look at the Unconscious as the higher self rather than our lower nature.
It may be useful to distinguish those aspects of consciousness that have been relegated to unconscious (e.g. control of heartbeat) from those aspects of consciousness that are above current operating levels (e.g. experience of Intent in the Galaxy)
> is that our own higher self, or are you referring to another higher being infusing our lower nature?
A being that is provided from outside to replace the nature spirits of the lower chakras
>Something to do with duplication of planes in the mental and etheric body,
On every subplane it is possible to develop structures that operate as sense organs
>information "being dropped in the back of my head" -- it's slight off-centre, ever so slightly leaning towards the back half but still in the top of my head.
That seems an accurate description of the entry mechanism.
It may be of use to note the head contains a number of major chakras and lots of minor chakras.
Since the energy flow is not quite vertical it is probably coming from outside you. This is an example of how the plumbrule can be used in a moral sense
>I remember his eyes were different colours; one blue, one green,
This seems to indicate convergence of two different energy streams
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