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Post by leonardo on May 10, 2008 17:40:05 GMT
I have been thinking on this subject more of late and it's really quite intriguing. I personally have no recollection of dreaming in black and white but apparently others do recall they did. The following article offers an explanation: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/12/021224091445.htm
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Post by lauderdale on May 10, 2008 17:52:14 GMT
Nor indeed have I. To the best of my knowledge I have always dreamt in colour and in very precise detail.
There is however a tendency in some people to think that those who lived before WW2 did so in monochrome, possibly as a result of most newsreel films, photos etc relating to that era being in black and white as explained in the link .
I wonder how our present electronic age of instant communication, the internet, mobile phones etc will influence how we are regarded and in deed how people dream?
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Post by leonardo on May 10, 2008 18:03:17 GMT
Indeed. In fact, the link in my previous post talks about claims made in the 50s from people saying they dreamed in black and white, and all the telly's back then being black and white is considered the reason!
But that aside: what about people born blind, what kind of dreams do they have?
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Post by lauderdale on May 10, 2008 18:07:39 GMT
Sounds I suppose. I really don't know.
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Post by leonardo on May 10, 2008 18:12:37 GMT
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Post by hollandr on May 10, 2008 21:47:46 GMT
The quality of the science on the dreams of the blind is remarkable:
"two congenitally blind subjects reporting seeing objects in their dreams. The researchers however concluded that this was merely a metaphorical use of vision, especially as one of the subjects said that she could tell silver objects were beautiful when she touched them because the silver "felt pretty"."
Here we have scientists explaining away the data
Did the incidence of synesthesia indicate that missing senses were being replaced?
The difficulty is that the scientists believe that the senses are founded in the physical body, when there are millennia of experience of remote sensing
And here is more explaining away
"He said people reporting black and white dreams in the middle of the 20th Century may have been overly influenced by the black and white media images of the day in television and film."
I see no attempts to test the explaining away by additional experiment. For example did the introduction of colour movies alter the dream experiences of the audiences?
Or did black and white dreams occur first amongst the owners of the TVs - the sets being rather rare initially? Surely some of the owners of the new TVs would have recorded (in diaries for example) that they had suddenly started dreaming in black and white?
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Post by leonardo on May 10, 2008 21:52:47 GMT
Good points, Bro Russell.
We tend to use our ordinary senses to explain the extraordinary.
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Post by lauderdale on May 10, 2008 22:04:15 GMT
Try this experiment.
Go into the shower but leave any lights in the bathroom switched off. Now as the water runs over you close your eyes and hold your hand or some object an arms length from your face. You will be able to see an outline of the hand or object. Now this is not a shadow but I assume it is caused by a pattern of ionisation caused by the stream of water flowing over the head and body.
Has anyone else experienced this and is there an explanation?
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Post by corab on May 11, 2008 17:36:38 GMT
It may be useful to distinguish those aspects of consciousness that have been relegated to unconscious (e.g. control of heartbeat) from those aspects of consciousness that are above current operating levels (e.g. experience of Intent in the Galaxy) That is not the Unconscious I mean. I speak of it in the Jungian sense, hence the capitalisation; you appear to refer to the autonomous nervous system. I believe they are 2 quite separate systems. But I think I understand what you're saying. That is interesting. Until recently I would have objected against the thought, but recent experiences in lodge inform me otherwise. Somehow that is reassuring and frightening all at the same time. I am aware of this, yes. I don't quite understand -- can you explain? In me or in him? Or both? [/quote]
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Post by hollandr on May 11, 2008 20:27:17 GMT
>That is not the Unconscious I mean
The unconscious and Unconscious both have to be within some intelligence and presumably are within the consciousness of that intelligence. The question then is which intelligences are those? When we can answer that it may be obvious whether to capitalise Unconscious
>I don't quite understand -- can you explain?
As you may know there are a number of chakras outside the body including above. Thus energies that entry our highest chakras generally provide a flow down through the chakras below them. These are conventionally in a vertical arrangement.
Hence any energy that enters us not from the vertical is almost certainly not coming from one of the chakras above the head. Therefore it is an outside energy. This is symbolised by the plumbrule as it detects that which is purely vertical
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Post by Tamrin on May 11, 2008 20:37:05 GMT
The unconscious and Unconscious both have to be within some intelligence and presumably are within the consciousness of that intelligence. The question then is which intelligences are those? I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. John 15:5
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Post by hollandr on May 14, 2008 3:42:41 GMT
If we had a theory about why colours appear or not in dreams we might be able to devise some experiments.
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Post by Tamrin on May 14, 2008 8:19:47 GMT
If we had a theory about why colours appear or not in dreams we might be able to devise some experiments. You refer to at least a couple of theories in Reply #45—Go for it.
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Post by treeoflife on May 14, 2008 19:31:59 GMT
usually in colors brighter and more vivid than in real life. I do have (or had had not in a long time thank God) a recurring nightmere since childhood in black and white. Very static like and very grainy.
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Post by leonardo on May 14, 2008 19:40:12 GMT
usually in colors brighter and more vivid than in real life. I do have (or had had not in a long time thank God) a recurring nightmere since childhood in black and white. Very static like and very grainy. As I said earlier this is not my experience, at least I have no recollection of ever dreaming in B&W, but clearly others have done so.
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Post by hollandr on May 20, 2008 4:07:14 GMT
>usually in colors brighter and more vivid than in real life
An interesting observation. I wonder how many others have more vivid colours in dreams than in the physical world
Why is it so?
>a recurring nightmere since childhood in black and white. Very static like and very grainy.
Since you are able to dream in strong colour, the black and white nightmare suggests that the content is affecting the colours and the resolution
Do others dream nightmares in black and white?
How about lower resolution for bad dreams?
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Post by corab on May 21, 2008 19:39:04 GMT
Since you are able to dream in strong colour, the black and white nightmare suggests that the content is affecting the colours and the resolution How about lower resolution for bad dreams? That rings true. In NLP resolution, contrast and colour is used to help people overcome the crippling effect of trauma; see also here.
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