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Post by maat on May 30, 2008 3:44:56 GMT
You haven't watched the video yet, have you? ;D ;D Russell, I can assure you that you will find the video most interesting, and I would say almost an imperative if following the Ark thread. Shifts the discussion to more mainstream, and places the topic in our day and age ... still a mystery but understandably so. It is a 1.5 hr video, and just the type to watch with your shoes off and a favourite beverage at hand. Maat PS Max... I was wondering about the famous Philadelphia Experiment ... effects are suspiciously similar, particularly the part about disappearing in one place and re-appearing in another hundreds of miles away.
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Post by maximus on May 30, 2008 4:18:46 GMT
PS Max... I was wondering about the famous Philadelphia Experiment ... effects are suspiciously similar, particularly the part about disappearing in one place and re-appearing in another hundreds of miles away. That involved rotating electromagnetic fields, theroretically to "cloak" a vessel with invisability. Things did not...turn out as they had hoped.
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Post by maat on Jun 3, 2008 23:14:24 GMT
Just wondering - did anyone else apart from Max and I have a look at the video?
Maat
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Post by maximus on Jun 3, 2008 23:25:58 GMT
Just wondering - did anyone else apart from Max and I have a look at the video? Yeah, what she said.
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Post by alchymicalmason on Jun 4, 2008 5:34:03 GMT
>monatomic white gold powder. It looks the be the Philosophers Stone itself The philosophers' stone is supposedly the result from culturing the live seed in mineral substance. The traditional test is dropping a minute amount of the stone wrapped in wax into molten lead - turning it into gold I don't know that monatomic gold passes that test It's properties, according to Nicholas Flamel and other knowledgable Alchemists, are that it is a white powder, wieghing at times more than it's original weight in gold, and at others wirghing less than a feather. it also has the ability to disappear. Monatomic gold has these properties (tested under laboratory conditions, by actual scientists), thus fufilling the ancient descriptions. Watch the video i provided the link for, it is all explained. I have the book, somewhere in the piles. Yes. I actually had some made by one of the first alchemical labs that Laurence Gardner recommended. It is very fine, white powder. It is so fine that I must be very careful not to breathe on it when consuming it, as it easily blows away. I take it before I meditate on occasion. Right now I am truly fascinated by the dreams that you all are having. I have had variations of the same "water" dream for 3 years. I was getting them so often that I finally complained about it to a friend and they stopped. I never made the connection until now that the real reason they stopped is that I have not used the white powder gold for several months. Hmmmmm! I think I will use it this week and see what happens! Now don't laugh! All of my dreams featured multiple disgustingly filthy toilets that where in huge marble rooms. I would walk through the room in udder disgust, watching as all of them would start to overflow. There were many variants of that one until the last one. In the last dream I was in a huge, tall, open concrete building with lots of people and there were stairways and ramps going up and down all around me. Some of the ramps led to nowhere, like the Harry Potter movies, some of them seemed to move. I was trying to find my way out of this place when I noticed that there was water dripping from the ceilings. The water was coming down harder and harder and people were in a panic. I woke up in a sweat with that one. I have had prophetic dreams in the past but usually they are more lucid and make more sense. These dreams are obviously cryptic. I have applied them to my personal life and felt that maybe I needed to tidy up some things in my on life. However, there is something deep inside me that says uh uh...... these dreams are warning me of something!
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Post by maat on Jun 4, 2008 7:12:12 GMT
What interesting dreams. The filthy toilets could be representing to you the idea that its time to release things that are now dead energy, stuff/things that no longer serve you. Something in your life is superfluous and unnecessary. Rooms usually represent parts of yourself. Marble? Is it possible that while you may think of yourself as strong and forthright some others may see you as cold and hard? If this interpretation seems to fit - I would say the dream is telling you to try and be a little less controlling. Relax. Soften up - with yourself especially. We need to learn to love ourselves, warts and all, that is when we start to love others more easily. It just happens. The second dream if it is connected to the first, and it seems that it is, might suggest that you are already attempting to change some ways. Here you are no longer marble, but simple concrete. You are with lots of people and all is confusing (stairways, ramps) and the rest of the dream would suggest challenging. Ceilings = the limit, the maximum, the high water mark When we loose our cool we sometimes hit the ceiling? Water refers to the emotional and spiritual natures among other things. The fact that you were upset by the leaking suggests in this instance it is the emotional side which might be overwhelming you. If this is anywhere near the mark, and only you can really interpret your dream, I would take it that you are on a positive journey. You are facing what has to be faced (and don't we all sooner or later) and you are making progress, but with big changes there is usuallly the fear factor involved. Hence you fright in the dream. Dreams are sent to help us. Makes you wonder who is sending the dreams... Maat
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Post by alchymicalmason on Jun 4, 2008 14:54:04 GMT
Thank you MAAT!
I had actually come to that very same conclusion as well and I have been working to get the dead, putrefied "stuff" out of my life. The marble to concrete thing........wow! I hadn't thought of that! Mainly because I was very overwhelmed by that one. I really felt that it symbolized something that is about to happen on a very large scale, like a tsunami or a cataclysm with resulting tsunamis. I know that sounds terrible but I had that dream several months ago and I cannot shake the feeling that it is bigger than me.
The only other thing that I can add is that I really have no fear. Even in my dreams it is not my life I fear for at all. I know how this sounds. But I have already died and come back not once but twice in this life. The first time I was literally pronounced dead. I was a child at the time. I fell out of a moving car. The second time was while I was giving birth. That was a beautiful experience for me! The people who were trying to revive me were not too happy about it though!
Anyway,I have literally been there and I have no fear of it because there is nothing to fear. However, in the dream I feared the suffering on a massive scale, that was about to ensue. Maybe the energies are lined up in such a way that something "could" happen but won't!
I just had an interesting thought about all of this. You all were discussing the recession that America is experiencing. That dream could be a symbol of the materialistic country that is drowning in debt! In my city the mall is always crowded and the restaurants are always full! I live in an affluent area where the average family owns 3 or 4 vehicles, mostly SUV's. I have heard that many people in this city are literally $100,000.00 or more, in debt! Yet they keep going to the malls and spending more on useless crap! Maybe that is what the toilets signify!
On a personal level, I took the clue about the toilets and not only got rid of a lot of negative influences in my own life but I also started listing my unused "stuff" on Ebay and Amazon.com. I am simplifying my life and reassessing what is important and what is not. Fortunately, I do not have that kind of debt and what little debt I do have I am quickly paying off!
Anyway, I will take the white powder gold this week and see if the dreams come back!
I know that melatonin definitely causes vivid dreams! Some of my clients stopped taking it because of the frequent "monster chasing" dreams!
Thanks again Maat!
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Post by maat on Jun 4, 2008 23:01:01 GMT
It was fun delving into the symbolism..
I had two further thoughts overnight about the marble and the concrete. Marble = the you which is presented to the world, the concrete being more the subconscious part of ourselves.
After reading you post though, I am inclined to believe the dream might have been referring to the 'concrete jungle'. Everyone climbing the ladders of success, whatever they think it is. This is a good example of why the person dreaming the dream is the decoder extroadinaire. Dream interpretation by others are just aids and guides to help you sort the wheat from the chaff.
Catastrophism occurrs in every age I read just recently. That is really interesting. Seems even if there is not one, the collection consciousness fear factor will create one for us. On the other hand, maybe contemplation of the grand disaster is a mandatory subject in the school of life. It does force us to face ourselves somewhat.
Maat
What a gift to not fear death - you are blessed indeed Alchymical. Can you relate any of your experience to masonic ceremonies?
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Post by alchymicalmason on Jun 5, 2008 0:00:13 GMT
Hi Maat!
Well yes, I can relate my experience to the Masonic rituals! Absolutely! Especially the C.O.R.
I wrote a little paper about my impressions for my lodge but I am actually working on a much more detailed study of the alchemical symbolism of the First Degree. I am sure the other degrees will be just as meaningful from that standpoint, but I am glad for the time to concentrate on them one at a time!
But yes, it is a blessing to be unafraid and to know that it's all good! Death is but a part of the alchemical cycle of life. Unfortunately, I think that periodic cataclysms are as well. I like your interpretations better than mine!
Actually, your insight really helped me to get a better understanding of those dreams! You may have hit the nail on the head with the concrete jungle theory! That is exactly how I feel! I want to get back to nature and get away from the city so badly! I no longer care for the typical American lifestyle. I hate to shop, I prefer whole foods, and can't stand the fast pace!
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Post by maat on Jun 5, 2008 0:23:02 GMT
Hi Maat! Well yes, I can relate my experience to the Masonic rituals! Absolutely! Especially the C.O.R. I wrote a little paper about my impressions for my lodge but I am actually working on a much more detailed study of the alchemical symbolism of the First Degree. I am sure the other degrees will be just as meaningful from that standpoint, but I am glad for the time to concentrate on them one at a time! But yes, it is a blessing to be unafraid and to know that it's all good! Death is but a part of the alchemical cycle of life. Unfortunately, I think that periodic cataclysms are as well. I like your interpretations better than mine! Actually, your insight really helped me to get a better understanding of those dreams! You may have hit the nail on the head with the concrete jungle theory! That is exactly how I feel! I want to get back to nature and get away from the city so badly! I no longer care for the typical American lifestyle. I hate to shop, I prefer whole foods, and can't stand the fast pace! I think that as the mind/body raise themselves they become more sensitive to their physical surroundings. There seems to be a need to withdraw somewhat from what you were previously used to. Imagine how hard it is, or will be, to volunteer to return to 'Loud Noise' when we need to.. Maat
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Post by Cambuel on Jun 5, 2008 1:03:16 GMT
Alchymical--Just the short time that I have known you (in this life at least ) I agree with much of the interpretation of symbolism that Maat has intuited. Particularly the whole concrete jungle theme. ;D *HUGS*
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Post by alchymicalmason on Jun 5, 2008 4:11:44 GMT
Maat,
I have 4 children and birthed 2 of them at home. Each time I looked into the face of my newborn I saw so much expression in their little faces. They all looked to me like they were frustrated and mad as hell!
As I reassured each one of them with soft words and touch the same thought went through my mind: They WERE frustrated and angry! As soon as the cold hit their skin and the light hit their eyes they went "Oh no! Not this place again!"
All kidding aside, I will tell you that once you have separated from your body you don't want to come back! Sometimes when I meditate I start to detach. One time I felt my heart rate decline as I was traveling through the cosmos. I literally had to convince myself to go back! I have 2 kids left at home to finish raising!
This is why I think the WE are the philosopher's stone! WE are the salt, sulfur and Mercury - the body, soul and universal spirit. The body and soul cannot marry until the volatile becomes fixed and the fixed becomes volatile by the mercurial (universal) spirit. When the soul leaves the body it becomes volatile again.
Thanks for the tip Vroiko! It seems you are correct!
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Post by maat on Jun 5, 2008 23:33:19 GMT
<This is why I think the WE are the philosopher's stone! WE are the salt, sulfur and Mercury - the body, soul and universal spirit. The body and soul cannot marry until the volatile becomes fixed and the fixed becomes volatile by the mercurial (universal) spirit. When the soul leaves the body it becomes volatile again.> Try matching up Sulphur, Mercury, Salt with the principal Officers of a lodge and the lodge being yourself. www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/alchemy_5.htmMaat
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Post by FireMist on Jun 17, 2008 19:12:24 GMT
I haven't been on for a while, but can't help sitting here in Ohio thinking of the people in Iowa to the west of me...I had clear water running past my house. from the same storm. I saw photos of the destriction of the tornados in Illinois, Indiana, and of all the flood waters throuout Iowa and the region...the damage is going to be much worse than Katrina.
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Post by maat on Jun 17, 2008 23:20:22 GMT
It is truly dreadful. Reminded me of Russell's dream and also the predictions Edgar Cayce made re new waterways in the USA. Didn't help that I watched a program on the mini Ice Age and what just a few degrees of temperature change can do. (There are a band of scientists who believe the temp increase we are experiencing now leads to mini ice ages).
Even here in Australia, the 'dry lands' up north are now the water catchment areas and our major river system, and the Murray/Darling, which provided water for the food growing industries is drying up.
Heard also that one of the islands in the Pacific is now making plans for their entire population to move off before it is totally beneath the water.
Maat
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Post by FireMist on Jun 18, 2008 12:13:34 GMT
And all the flooding in other parts of the world...ugh. The origional post struk a chord as I've had some odd dreams too. I just chalked it up to seeing too many tornados last year and this. Perhaps there is more to the dreams.
That mini ice age stuff is interesting... I first learned about it while investigating fabrics/clothing etc of the 18th century US and Europe..... I sipmly have a hard time wearing so much stuff even if it's just very light linnen and such in 90 degree temperateures..... Seems here in the US anyway the temperatures were colder through the 17th and 18th centuries by about 10 degrees. It was the tail end of a mini ice age lasting for about 400 years...They too had reports of terrible disasterous flooding and storms.
But then I think back to when I was in elementary school in the late 60's... They told us that if the ice caps melted New York city would be under water as well as must of the know coastlines....Venice wouldn't exist, etc...Venice does have deeper water and most of the population has vacated their first floors.
Along with the current information on mini ice age, they say we have not had the normal sunspot activity for two years...another good indication apparently
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Post by alchymicalmason on Jun 25, 2008 4:28:54 GMT
<This is why I think the WE are the philosopher's stone! WE are the salt, sulfur and Mercury - the body, soul and universal spirit. The body and soul cannot marry until the volatile becomes fixed and the fixed becomes volatile by the mercurial (universal) spirit. When the soul leaves the body it becomes volatile again.> Try matching up Sulphur, Mercury, Salt with the principal Officers of a lodge and the lodge being yourself. www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/alchemy_5.htmMaat Hi Maat! I have been gone for a while. I went to the first 2 days of the LDH convention in Reacine, WI which was WONDERFUL! Unfortunately , I had to cut it short as I had other obligations last weekend as well. Anyway, I just wanted to say that I agree with you COMPLETELY! That idea has been repeatedly conveyed to me through the symbolism of FM as well as my self guided study of alchemy! have you read anything about Mozart's opera "The Magic Flute"? I think the whole opera demonstrates that idea perfectly! The following link is for a wonderful book that explains the alchemical symbolism of that opera. www.amazon.com/Magic-Flute-Zauberflote-Alchemical-Allegory/dp/9004130993/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214367887&sr=8-1
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Post by hollandr on Jun 29, 2008 23:34:47 GMT
I have had a second water dream.
Initially there were pulses of water coming along a water course producing flooding the village.
The pulses were becoming larger so I moved to higher ground. And still the pulses grew larger.
So after a while I was up a mountain looking down into a very deep canyon - maybe a mile deep. And the pulse of water filled the canyon and overflowed where I was - so I went higher until I was on top of some sort of built structure against mountain. And still the water was coming higher and I did not know where to go.
Then my deceased mother appeared and showed me how to get higher. And still the water surged higher. So I went around the side of a rock face away from the water as a great rich brown muddy surge came past.
And then I awoke so I do not know the outcome.
When I press the energy of the scene against myself it does not interact much. But if I press the energy field against the world economic situation, water seems to spray everywhere.
So I suspect that a difficult time is ahead
Cheers
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Post by maat on Jun 30, 2008 1:33:02 GMT
I have had a second water dream.
Initially there were pulses of water coming along a water course producing flooding the village.General and accepted standards not longer apply (the stream) - individual and group consciousness is evolving (pulses increasing - something to do with the new Age we are entering into?) The pulses were becoming larger so I moved to higher ground. And still the pulses grew larger.* * * When we move to higher ground it is often something we do only in our minds, we take the high moral ground, but do nothing about it physically taking refuge in the thought, I am just one person. It is impossible or improbable (the chasm) that little me or we can do anything about things. * * * So after a while I was up a mountain looking down into a very deep canyon - maybe a mile deep. And the pulse of water filled the canyon and overflowed where I was - so I went higher until I was on top of some sort of built structure against mountain. And still the water was coming higher and I did not know where to go.* * * Rendering ourselves impotent, we just take refuge in the established structures of our respective cultures, man made (built) though they be. They served us in the past, why not now? We do not attempt to change them and thus we disallow or prevent 'the new' forms to be established, come into being. But currently even the most unthinking person is sensing that the way things have been is passing away. We feel insecure. * * * Then my deceased mother appeared and showed me how to get higher. And still the water surged higher. So I went around the side of a rock face away from the water as a great rich brown muddy surge came past.* * * I would take this to mean that help is at hand from unseen sources, if we would just listen to the still small voice from within. * * * And then I awoke so I do not know the outcome.* * * Rigid thinking patterns (the rock) no longer serve us * * * When I press the energy of the scene against myself it does not interact much. But if I press the energy field against the world economic situation, water seems to spray everywhere.
So I suspect that a difficult time is ahead* * * Maybe excessive corporate greed, the impotence of worldwide organisations to protect the citizens of rogue governments, even the apathy that persists sometimes in local government organisation etc etc etc will prove the be the chisel on the rough ashlar that takes us thru to the Age of Aquarious (Mind). Knights, draw swords. Maat Note: edited to assist in formatting
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Post by hollandr on Jun 30, 2008 2:52:37 GMT
Maat
Those are reasonable interpretations.
Is there any means to test the interpretations if you wanted to use them to advise someone?
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