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Post by maat on May 28, 2008 23:42:51 GMT
As is common on this forum, one subject leads to another and off we go.. So as to not usurp the Ominous Dream thread I thought we could start another on the Lost Secrets (!?) of the Sacred Ark. Perhaps those interested might like to peruse the link below, which will give you some food for thought ... I didn't know this.. In the march from Sinai, and at the crossing of the Jordan, the Ark preceded the people, and was the signal for their advance (Num. 10:33; Josh. 3:3, 6). The Ark of the Covenant burned the thorns and other obstructions in the wilderness roads. According to tradition, sparks from between the two cherubim killed serpents and scorpions. (Canticles iii) During the crossing of the Jordan, the river grew dry as soon as the feet of the priests carrying the Ark touched its waters; and remained so until the priests -- with the Ark -- left the river, after the people had passed over (Josh. 3:15-17; 4:10, 11, 18). As memorials, twelve stones were taken from the Jordan at the place where the priests had stood (Josh. 4:1-9). www.crystalinks.com/ark.htmlI found lots of information in this link particularly interesting after watching the video link Max gave me yesterday. Maybe Max would be kind enough to post that link here as well. Tamrin, will you re-post your marvellous graphic of the Ark please? I hadn't previously thought about the Ark being concealed in the Valley of the Kings.. .. the hiding place of the ark, said specifically by ancient sources (such as the Mishnayot), to be a desolate valley under a hill - on its east side, forty stones deep.
Today, it is believed by some that this refers to the Tomb of Tutankhamun (east side of the Valley of Kings, ca. forty stones deep). Some believe that what was found there are the described treasures, including the Mishkan and the Ark of the Covenant. Maat
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Post by maat on May 28, 2008 23:43:30 GMT
Ark was built of acacia wood and our sprig of acacia - any connection?
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Post by maat on May 28, 2008 23:45:58 GMT
I took to the idea of the High Priest being the transformer - healers are supposed to have that extra charge of 'whatever it is' that realigns the faulty 'whatever it is' in the sick.
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Post by hollandr on May 29, 2008 0:07:01 GMT
As far as the secrets of the Ark being lost, I wonder if the Israelites ever possessed those secrets. There seemed to be an awful lot of Israelite deaths around the Ark.
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Post by maat on May 29, 2008 0:55:51 GMT
As far as the secrets of the Ark being lost, I wonder if the Israelites ever possessed those secrets. Same goes for Masonry .. ?
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Post by maximus on May 29, 2008 0:59:01 GMT
As far as the secrets of the Ark being lost, I wonder if the Israelites ever possessed those secrets. There seemed to be an awful lot of Israelite deaths around the Ark. Yes, the OT descriptions describe the Ark as giving off intense electrical discharges. I doubt that the Levite priests who bore it understood the "secret." Moses (being an initiated Egyptian priest, he would have known) likely would have passed it down to Aaron, and so on down to the high priesthood. We note that Solomon was paid in gold by other monarchs, and he in return is said to have given them "bread." This bread, I think, is likely the conical loaves described in the video and the book as consisting of the monatomic gold mixed with frankensense. It is highly likely that the secret was lost. We note that later the Ark disappears from the Biblical account, with no explaination. I think that the later Deuteronomic reformers of the Yahweh cult, that supplanted the Zadokite priesthood, knew not the secret of the Ark.
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Post by maat on May 29, 2008 1:04:50 GMT
There seemed to be an awful lot of Israelite deaths around the Ark. Even those who loved and revered God, which reminds me of the biblical statement that man cannot look upon the face of God and live. I am assuming that statement is referring to the physical body only, in which case there is an indication that the Ark itself was an energy device in the physical sense... electrical, etc. Maat
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Post by maximus on May 29, 2008 1:06:07 GMT
Ark was built of acacia wood and our sprig of acacia - any connection? Possibly.
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Post by maximus on May 29, 2008 1:14:59 GMT
There seemed to be an awful lot of Israelite deaths around the Ark. Even those who loved and revered God, which reminds me of the biblical statement that man cannot look upon the face of God and live. I am assuming that statement is referring to the physical body only, in which case there is an indication that the Ark itself was an energy device in the physical sense... electrical, etc. Maat Prcisely. The Ark, by its very design, was an electrical capacitor, capable of storing electrical potential from the atmosphere. It is this intense arc (Ark) that is required to transform and refine regular gold to its monatomic state. That the Levites were able to carry it, as it's normal weight was tremendous, and would have made it physically impossible for four men to have carried, indicates that the monatomic gold was present inside. Monatomic metals have the unique superconductive ability to tranfer thier gravity defying properties to whatever recepticle they are in. This was provern during testing, when the monatomic substance was wieghed, and at certian temperatures plunged off the negative end of the scale. It was wondered how the negitive weight could be, as the recepticle should have registered some weight itself. This led to the discovery of the transfer of antigravitic proprties to the host recepticle. This how the Levites were able to carry the Ark.
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Post by hollandr on May 29, 2008 1:23:37 GMT
>The Ark, by its very design, was an electrical capacitor
It seemed to be able to transmit a voice and assist in knocking down city walls. That suggests other components beyond a single capacitor.
Perhaps the other components were kept secret. The urim and thurim come to mind as obscure devices
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Post by maximus on May 29, 2008 1:51:06 GMT
Reposting that link here for you Ma'at:
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Post by maximus on May 29, 2008 2:01:42 GMT
>The Ark, by its very design, was an electrical capacitor It seemed to be able to transmit a voice and assist in knocking down city walls. That suggests other components beyond a single capacitor. Perhaps the other components were kept secret. The urim and thurim come to mind as obscure devices Obscure indeed. The Urim and Thurim were descibed, as best I recall, as "stones" that fit into pouches onthe shoullders of the Breastplate of the High Priest. The twelve jewels representing the twelve tribes were fastened on the front. As to the function of the Urim and Thurim, that is a good question. What were they made of? We may never know. If they still existed at the time of the vanquishment of the Judeans and the razing of the Temple by the Romans in 70 A.D., they were either hidden by the Priests, or taken as war booty. They may have even 'disappeared" at the same time as the Ark itself, and "substitutes" left in thier place. The Deuteronimist reformers would likely have not known the difference, not being privy to the true secrets (this sounds similar to something else, dosen't it! ;D).
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Post by maat on May 29, 2008 5:16:03 GMT
We note that Solomon was paid in gold by other monarchs, and he in return is said to have given them "bread." This bread, I think, is likely the conical loaves described in the video and the book as consisting of the monatomic gold mixed with frankensense. Ah-ha! Marvellous what makes sense when you get 'a key'... Maat
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Post by maat on May 29, 2008 5:52:51 GMT
The breast plate had 12 stones... the same ones mentioned in my post above? The first one was the Sardius stone, which Solomon is supposed to have chided himself saying ... We have consoled ourselves more with the sardius stone (rather) than with the administering right judgement to the orphans. www.sacred-texts.com/chr/kn/kn060.htmand what does this mean... our Lady? when referring to the missing Ark. "Woe is me! Woe is me! I weep for myself. Rise up, DAVID, my father, and weep with me for our Lady, for God hath neglected us and hath taken away our Lady from thy son. Woe is me! Woe is me! Woe is me! and further down.. "Woe be unto us! Woe be unto us! For the glory of the glorious daughter of ZION is removed, and the glory of the daughter of ETHIOPIA, the vile,1 hath increased. Maat
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Post by hollandr on May 29, 2008 6:06:27 GMT
>hath taken away our Lady from thy son.
Is this the departure of Shekinah the consort of Jahweh?
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Post by willied77 on May 29, 2008 7:54:25 GMT
>The Ark, by its very design, was an electrical capacitor
Which by modern historical thought, we invented some 100 odd years ago. So if it was an electrical capacitor then in my eyes it must have been a reminant of the previous technological race that was wiped out.
Any new civilisation trying to carve out a living after the collapse of the previous one, would have indeed been in awe of any of the technologies that they were able to use. Possibly giving them a god-like status.
And if memory serves me correct wasn't the Ark used to store the God Yahweh, whom was deemed to be a god full of mischief?
So now can it be concluded that Yahweh is actually some form of electrical discharge whom the Ark keepers were unable to control properly, hence Yahweh was given the title of being mischievious???
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Post by Tamrin on May 29, 2008 8:19:51 GMT
Today, it is believed by some that this refers to the Tomb of Tutankhamun (east side of the Valley of Kings, ca. forty stones deep). Some believe that what was found there are the described treasures, including the Mishkan and the Ark of the Covenant. This would appear to be an anachronism. According to conventional chronologies, Tutankhamun died c. 1323 BCE; Solomon, died c. 931 BCE; and the last contemporary mention of the Ark (II Chron. 35:3) is in connection with King Josiah (ruled c. 640 - 609 BCE), well outside even Velikovsky's revised chronology.
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Post by Tamrin on May 29, 2008 8:38:58 GMT
So if it was an electrical capacitor then in my eyes it must have been a reminant of the previous technological race that was wiped out. Electric Eels were used as 'therapy.' It has been speculated that ancient batteries were similarly used. Electricity is likely to have evoked awe and could well have been associated with the Ark. Whether or not Imhotep and Daedalus were legendary figures or not, the ancient world was replete with such geniuses. Lights were perpetually kept burning; heavy doors automatically opened; astrolabes divined the stars; A robotic owl was said to be a theophany of Athena (showing at least that the possibility was known); statues were devised to be suspended by magnets; etc. As for a technological race, the evidence lacks an infrastructure. The concept was known but its application does not appear to have been widely used.
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Post by maximus on May 29, 2008 14:21:53 GMT
>The Ark, by its very design, was an electrical capacitor Which by modern historical thought, we invented some 100 odd years ago. So if it was an electrical capacitor then in my eyes it must have been a reminant of the previous technological race that was wiped out. Any new civilisation trying to carve out a living after the collapse of the previous one, would have indeed been in awe of any of the technologies that they were able to use. Possibly giving them a god-like status. True. Although the thechnology could well have been developed by the Egyptians themselves. The word Alkhemy (Al-Khem-Y) derived, through the Arabic, from the ancient word for the land itself: Khem, the black land, referring to the innundation of the Nile that deposited the rich, black soil essential for the crops. This does not rule out that such a technology could have been passed down from a previous civilisation. YHVH was said to reside between the Kerubium on the Ark's lid, and would seem to be an electrical discharge. There were numerous "accidents" with the Ark, levites being fried and such. It is interesting that YHVH was considered a minor God at the time of KS and earlier, more of a war God, and although he resided in the Holy of Holies in the Temple, his worship did not play a major role until the Dueteronomic reforms imposed later. Interestingly, the Israelites seemed, prior to the "discovery" of the Law of Moses and the book of Deuteronomy in a column of the Temple (which, convieniently, supported the reformers views ), to take little note of him, or of the five books of Moses.
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Post by maximus on May 29, 2008 14:28:03 GMT
As for a technological race, the evidence lacks an infrastructure. The concept was known but its application does not appear to have been widely used. In historical times, yes. I see evidence in the (albeit distorted) historical record, particularly the worldwide flood myths, for a world wide disaster. I think that we suffered a cometary strike that wiped out practically all evidence of a previous technological civilisation, causing mankind to struggle upwards once again, from a primitive state. The excellent book Uriel's Machine (Knight and Lomas, thier best effort, I think) puts forth this view, and provides good reasoning behind it. I highly recommend a read.
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