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Post by tehuti on Jun 19, 2008 17:44:16 GMT
The Bible is more work of fiction then actual historical repository, I consider it purely esoteric and I treat it as such.
As I said in my first post, history is a whore.
One of my purposes in writing this article, along with my personal growing capabilities, was to stir a esoteric discussion.
Invincible Sun (Sol Invictus) is also an invisible Sun. This statement carry a very deep significance to me.
As for number 666, I now know that it IS the Number of the Beast, that beast being internal Lion (Tiphareth) within Primordial Man and his lesser reflection (Hu-Man).
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Post by tehuti on Jun 19, 2008 18:33:18 GMT
...As I said in my first post, history is a whore. ... Yeah, but is she easy or costly? ;D Maybe both, but she is elusive at best. ;D
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Post by billmcelligott on Jun 19, 2008 20:01:34 GMT
So yes you are correct , no physical evidence, but you have to ask , 'why 1200 chariots for a tribe of donw (sic) trodden Hebrews? why sixty thousand horsemen'? Exageration. Tooting one's own horn to embelish one's history. Reference The Bible Unearthed, by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman. These Israeli archaologists extensively investigated ancient sites from the biblical (OT) period, and found that the accounts in the OT were greatly embellished. But you still have to account for how the Biblical account is so similar to the account found inscribed at the temple of Amun at Karnak. I was told there is no evidence, I am placing before you some evidence. Further to that. In the article in Science, Mazar, Bruins and Van der Plicht write of radiometric carbon 14 tests that were carried out at Groningen University on charred grain and olive pits found in various strata at Tel Rehov. The dates achieved in this research were particularly precise, with minimal range. The authors further state that this is one of the best sets of radiometric dates based on stratigraphic sequence from any site related to the biblical period. The results show that two strata at Tel Rehov are safely dated to the 10th century B.C.E. One stratum was destroyed in heavy fire. The date of this destruction fits very well with the reign of Shishak, the Egyptian Pharaoh who invaded the Land of Israel around 925 B.C.E. and whose invasion is mentioned both in the Bible (I Kings 14:25) and in his monumental inscription at the temple of Amun at Karnak, Egypt, where Rehov is mentioned among many other places conquered at that time. This is not an exaggeration it is an event recorded in various places, at or near the time of it happening. Maybe they were all Masons and they had this conspiracy.
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Post by maat on Jun 19, 2008 22:35:40 GMT
Wow, you compared my poor amateur article with scholastic mogul like Manly Hall. ;D Tehuti - and why not? It is called encouragement. As a past Mark Master it is my ongoing responsibility to recognise talent and encourage it so that the individual gains and the world gains from it's blossoming. By doing so I gain also. Win/win/win situation. Unfortunately, there is a reverse side, I will also be held accountable for the lack of encouragement and the helping hand that might have saved an animal/tree/bad situation/soul/world ... and it is so much easier to inadvertently take this course. Walking around with our eyes or heart closed, that sort of thing. That is the only part of death that scares, being faced with what I could have done if only I had had eyes that see and ears that hear. Maat
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 19, 2008 22:36:14 GMT
But you still have to account for how the Biblical account is so similar to the account found inscribed at the temple of Amun at Karnak. In Peter James', Centuries of Darkness (pp.229/231), he examines the evidence for the Shishak / Shoshenq identification, observes that, from the Biblical perspective, it applies to Israel, not to Judah with Jerusalem, and concludes: Given the almost complete disagreement of geopolitical factors between the campaigns of Shishak and Shoshenq I, there remains only the similarity of the two names to support the identification.The case for this synchronism, equivocal at best, should hardly prevent a reworking of TIP [Third Intermediate Period] chronology if other more convincing evidence demands it.
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Post by billmcelligott on Jun 19, 2008 23:25:20 GMT
Tamrin That is why I added the carbon dating. PDF Filebut you guys want to go with 666 then be my guest. Just the purveyor of facts.
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Post by maat on Jun 19, 2008 23:43:56 GMT
This is a good read and allows some comparisons between the various Holy Books. Good old wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SolomonMaat PS I like the 'worm' that can cut ashlars... (lasers?) and the flying carpet... (UFC?) and his ability to talk to birds and ants and command Jinns ;D I have always thought these things possible. I like teasing Bill, I am a very naughty girl.
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 20, 2008 0:01:51 GMT
That is why I added the carbon dating. Appendix I "Dendrochronology and Radiocarbon Dating" (pp.321 / 325), of Centuries of Darkness (p.325): The immediate conclusion is that it is impossible to sensibly resolve the radiocarbon dates of any samples whose true ages lie between 400 and 800 BC. This is a catastrophe for Late Bronze Age/Iron Age archeology although one which has been predicted for some time.
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Post by maximus on Jun 20, 2008 1:28:00 GMT
Maybe they were all Masons and they had this conspiracy. Of course, wasn't Masonry supposed to go back to ancient Egypt? You have to keep in mind that the Levant was a major trade route, and natural corridor for invading armies. It was also under the control of Egypt for a good bit of its history. There were many occasions where the Egyptians had to drive out interlopers, and I'm sure that they did not hesitate to burn a few Israeli and Judean cites. I would have done the same. The point is, there are instances of actual events in the OT, but there are also many that have been...dressed up, to make the Hebrews look better to themselves, for thier own national esteem, and to make thier cruel war god seem powerful.
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Post by billmcelligott on Jun 20, 2008 7:11:45 GMT
Ancient Egypt is an argument that has been played out numerous times and no one yet has come up with definitive proof of the Origin of Freemasonry.
I don't know who is right about the Carbon dating we are not qualified to make any statement on that , I would just point out that the PDF file seems to be some 14 years later, which may or may not be significant.
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 20, 2008 7:50:13 GMT
Ancient Egypt is an argument that has been played out numerous times and no one yet has come up with definitive proof of the Origin of Freemasonry. I suspect Bro. Max may have been facetious. As for my own thoughts on the matter, I am not so much concerned with tracing an actual lineage, as I am in unfolding what Desaguliers and others appear to have had in mind when introducing their changes. I don't know who is right about the Carbon dating we are not qualified to make any statement on that , I would just point out that the PDF file seems to be some 14 years later, which may or may not be significant. As I understand the situation, the once accepted Shishak / Shoshenq identification is at the crux of the problem in this instance: When it was thought to be secure, the presumed synchronism was used to calibrate radiocarbon dating for the period. Having done so, it would be circular to use the dating to corroborate the identification.
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Post by billmcelligott on Jun 20, 2008 8:03:13 GMT
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 20, 2008 8:23:17 GMT
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Post by maximus on Jun 20, 2008 13:30:03 GMT
Ancient Egypt is an argument that has been played out numerous times and no one yet has come up with definitive proof of the Origin of Freemasonry. Note wink at end of sentence. I suspect Bro. Max may have been facetious. Note also Finkelstein and Silberman's David and Solomon: In Search of the Bible's Sacred Kings and the Roots of the Western Tradition. From Booklist: "As Finkelstein and Silberman cite, the figure of David (shepherd, warrior, and divinely protected king) and of his son, Solomon (a great builder, wise judge, and serene ruler of a vast empire) have become timeless models of righteous leadership and God's sanction. They contend that the archaeological discoveries of recent decades have shown "how far from the glamorous scriptural portraits the actual world of David and Solomon was." They also posit that many of the famous episodes in the biblical story are highly exaggerated. Although it seems possible that David and Solomon were actual historical characters, they were very different from their scriptural portraits. Finkelstein and Silberman offer evidence that it is unlikely that David ever conquered land more than two days' march from the heartland of Judah and that Solomon's Jerusalem was "neither extensive nor impressive." Their point is to show how the legends of David and Solomon developed and how they came to guide Western thinking and shape Western religious and political traditions in important ways." - George Cohen
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Post by tehuti on Jun 20, 2008 14:00:50 GMT
Interesting, not coincidental, is that number 666 has 12 divisors: {1, 2, 3, 6, 9, 18, 37, 74, 111, 222, 333, 666} The magickal, kabbalistic square of SUN: Diagonally in all directions, the sum of all numbers is 111. There are 6 columns, so 111 X 6 = 666. The number of the SUN is 666. I'll repeat the previous statement: The number 666 has 12 divisors. Well, Sun has 12 disciples, 12 signs of zodiac, 12 astral archetypal divisions within microcosmic and macrocosmic Multiverses. Sun passes through 12 constellations on the ecliptic belt. The simple math has proven the age-old kabbalstic mystery that the number of the Beast is in any instance, the number of the SUN. Since in number 666, there are three digits, and number 6 is the Tiphareth, the center of the Tree of life, Axis Mundi of alchemists, Sun has also three aspects already explained through SOL-OM-ON emblem. I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. (three aspects of divinity) Thrice Great Hermes, Hermes Trismegistos was given that title because the Hermes or planet Mercury has three aspects: in night astrological house he (Mercury) is in Gemini (twins Apollo - Beauty + Hercules - Strength), but in day house Mercury passes Virgo (Virgin - Wisdom). So, Triple Great Hermes has three aspects of divinity, the three pillars of the Temple, just as SOL-OM-ON, meaning they both portray the same archetype. YHVH ShemeshThe Lord is a SUN [Ps 84.11] So, even the Bible confirms as the solar nature of Lord. Gematria of the last sentence is 666!!!! Everything leads us to conclusion that Sun is and was a Lord, the God manifested through three aspects of Divine Will (WM - Father), Divine Love (SW - Holy Spirit) and Divine Mind (JW - Logos). Every single one of these principle we can find in the Lodge of Man (the microcosmic residence of the human being), the real SOL-OM-ON's Temple.
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Post by tehuti on Jun 20, 2008 15:28:29 GMT
Guys, guys, guys... This is an esoteric discussion section. Leave the exoterics outside of your doors.
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Post by billmcelligott on Jun 20, 2008 15:31:50 GMT
I most sincerely apologise for answering a wonderful observation with such a ridiculous reasonable answer.
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Post by maximus on Jun 20, 2008 17:49:06 GMT
I most sincerely apologise for answering a wonderful observation with such a ridiculous reasonable answer. Reason is over-rated. Chaos ab ordo! ;D
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Post by tehuti on Jun 20, 2008 18:36:15 GMT
I almost forgot, 216 (6 X 6 X 6) is the number of perfect cube. On the 6th day God created Man, the Higher Self (microcosmos). Number 6 has 4 dividers (1, 2, 3, 6), meaning that Higher Self (whose number is 6 on the Tree of Life) is composed of 4 elements (YHVH tetrapolar magnet). Number 6 (Tiphareth) on the Tree of Life is surrounded by 4 spheres of colors corresponding to primal elements. This is because the number 6, or the archetypal idea behind that number contains 4 elements. 6 or 666 is the center of Life itself. The Sun (Tiphareth) is indeed in the center of any individual Lodge (Higher Self), the Blazing Star within every (wo)man.
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Post by beersheva on Mar 1, 2014 19:37:24 GMT
Quote: [Air is androgynous Mercury in alchemy, and it balances two opposing components: sulphur and salt (male and female). The balance is the key word. Libra is actual Royal Arch keystone. Libra is the zenith of the solar year as is also Junior Warden occupying his south position in Lodge. He embodies the same principle of balance. On south, in zenith, the Sun is most beautiful.]
The zenith of the Solar cycle is at the summer solstice, when the Sun enters the zodiacal Sign of Cancer, the longest day of the Solar year..
Kabbalah says that Shlomo ha Melek and David ha Melek were both from the line of LOTS' daughters' offspring: Amon and Moab. According to kabbalah, this was so that they (and the MOSHIACH) could be seeded with the greatest darkness, which, when conquered, gave them the CROWN of rulership over the various grades beneath them.
LIBRA relates to the equilibrium of FIRE and WATER, and their UNION or CHEMICAL WEDDING.
QUOTE: "There were many occasions where the Egyptians had to drive out interlopers, and I'm sure that they did not hesitate to burn a few Israeli and Judean cites. I would have done the same.
[SITES, not cites]
The point is, there are instances of actual events in the OT, but there are also many that have been...dressed up, to make the Hebrews look better to themselves, for thier own national esteem, and to make thier cruel war god seem powerful."
Maybe. And maybe not. Unless you understand the PaRDeS, you cannot speak on the TANAK with authority.
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