Have been away and not had time to go thru this lengthy thread, so forgive me if I repeat a question.
Dreams - it seems people constantly dream of things that they wouldn't/couldn't imagine existing or happening in their waking life. Weird and wonderful images that arise without conscious thought.
Long before I even knew a woman could become a mason I dreamed of a pillar, the top of which was the most beautifully carved decoration I had ever seen. It was so beautiful, that upon waking I actually had a debate with myself which went along the lines of ... if I can dream that I must be able to do that. If my subconscious can imagine that, my conscious must be able to recreate it. Took about 2 seconds to know this was not my imagination. The design was totally above my creative ability.
So my question is... where does dream imagination come from? I won't take 'subconscious' as the simple answer, unless you expand on it.
So if the content of some dreams comes from without, does that content exist independently of the dreamer or imaginer?
No more than the system (dreamer) can exist independently of its source (the super-system/s). I wrote elsewhere (The Quarry Masonic Forum):
I am the true vine, my Father is the vinedresser. Every branch of mine that bears no fruit, he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. Now you are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me, and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from him you can do nothing. If a man does not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch and withers; and the blades are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned.
John 15: 1-6
My take on death is premised on there being but one life, of which we are all expressions.
As the leaf on the vine will die, another will take its place in the following season. The first leaf is dead and, as a leaf, it has no direct connection with the subsequent leaf. However, each leaf arose from its source and partook of the nature of the vine: It is the vine itself that provides the connection. The ‘higher self’ that survives death is the vine, which provides the connection between one leaf and the next. Indeed, some properties acquired by the first leaf may have been learnt by the vine which, in turn, may have recalled them when giving rise to the subsequent leaf.
As individuals, we can transcend our ‘selves’ and glory in being expressions of the one life. At this level we can share in various levels and lines of collective consciousness and collective memories, giving a mistaken sense of our present, individual selves having lived before. However, when 'I' die, that’s it—I’m dead—but life goes on. And, with that guerdon, I am content.
I suspect not that the universe is God (pantheism) but that it is IN God (panentheism). Just as our 'individual' totality, including our unifying and transcendent mind, cannot be explained simply by the sum of our parts, so too I expect that the totality of the One Life from which we arise, in which (for a time) we exist (being that which is essentially 'us') and which lives on after we have died, probably exceeds the sum of Her manifest parts.
S & F, Philip Carter / The Quarry / If there is anything in the universe that can't stand discussion, let it crack (Wendell Phillips)
omni: In my Lodge the Secretary is a hugh bully along with control issues. if anyone even asks a question he files masonic charges against them. He controls members mostly because they are afraid of him.
Apr 16, 2018 1:07:49 GMT
The Ancient: To omni: Grow some balls, that lodge is yours as well as every member in that lodge. If you are right, its not your problem. Nobody likes the ugliness of masonic charges. Light will always illuminate darkness, don't be afraid, be a better man.
May 27, 2018 15:37:09 GMT
The Ancient: Oh, I am a new member and just wanted to say hi...
May 27, 2018 15:39:10 GMT