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Post by billmcelligott on Jul 22, 2008 23:53:42 GMT
If it looks like a PA, sounds like a PA and Walks like a PA.
Then by Golly, its probably a personal attack.
1. A Zero tolerance Policy on any personal attacks against any members of this forum or Freemasons that do not subscribe to this forum. You may argue the points that each person makes, but comments such as "You are stupid" will not be tolerated.
This is clearly stated and expresses the conclusion of the team at MFoL.
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Post by Tamrin on Jul 23, 2008 0:10:57 GMT
If it looks like a PA, sounds like a PA and Walks like a PA.
Then by Golly, its probably a personal attack. An interesting proposition in the context of this thread!?
1. A Zero tolerance Policy on any personal attacks against any members of this forum or Freemasons that do not subscribe to this forum. You may argue the points that each person makes, but comments such as "You are stupid" will not be tolerated.
This is clearly stated and expresses the conclusion of the team at MFoL. It is the points (unsubstantiated claims) raised by Bro. Russell that I question.On the one hand, I gave my honest opinion when asked: ;D I'm starting to wonder! So many photos and such a keen interest, Tamrin. Why does it excite you so much? Previously, despite being permissively invited to, "Go for it", by the person concerned, I had been content to say: >Still this raises questions about your credibility
Go for it Philip For now, I simply note that you are demonstrably unreliable as a source.On the other hand, the following would appear to be personal attacks in response to my honest answer to Maat's provocative question: What incredible arrogance just because you can't see how it can be. to say that "giants, aliens and unicorns" can't exist. That is the arrogance of man. In a Universe as vast as ours a man only shows his limitations when he claims things he can't understand are impossible. It is the same arrogance when which are impossible to test a man expects to be able to test everything, when those he expects to test have nothing to prove, It is best man accepts his limitations and watches and observes Note, I have not said everything can be tested.... but, when something can, it can be falsified. And: Bro Russell, why do you think I slung him off "The Chequered Pavement" and erased all his postings there and have blocked his IP address?
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Post by lauderdale on Jul 23, 2008 0:53:06 GMT
"Does it really matter?
When people believe stuff, they believe it. Doesn't mean that it is right, wrong, real, unreal. It is their belief. You have your beliefs, I have mine, others have theirs."
Bro Maat. No it DOESN'T matter a damn!
I for example believe in the Creator God, by whatever name the Deity is called by Humanity, and that the man known to most as Jesus Christ was his son who died and raised himself from the dead. At most if called upon to prove any of that I could possibly use the historical records of the Romans, who held Judea as a colony at the time, to substantiate that this man existed, although his name was probably Jeshua. I could NOT prove any of the other claims made about him.
Frankly, I'm not bothered. I don't actually ask for proof . Likewise there are claims made about Mohammed by Islamics, and for their pantheon of Gods by the Hindus. I don't personally believe them, but neither do I sneer at them nor demand proof.
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Post by billmcelligott on Jul 23, 2008 1:36:27 GMT
It is simple when someone writes
"his opinions are seen to be typical of the subjective rubbish from the Crystal Crowds"
That is very close to "You are stupid"
1. A Zero tolerance Policy on any personal attacks against any members of this forum or Freemasons that do not subscribe to this forum. You may argue the points that each person makes, but comments such as "You are stupid" will not be tolerated.
Now I have just said it is very close. Now you can take a gentle hint or launch into another argument it is entirely up to you.
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Post by maat on Jul 23, 2008 3:08:38 GMT
Hey boy! Who're you calling stupid?!
Crystal Crowds
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Post by hollandr on Jul 23, 2008 4:50:53 GMT
>Crystal Crowds
To return to the subject of the thread (that I should have named "red pill reality") - Philip yet again has raised a most interesting point:
- Why are New Agers so keen on crystals?
Is it that crystals facilitate connection of humans to the rest of Creation?
How would that occur?
How might we test that?
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Post by Tamrin on Jul 23, 2008 9:03:22 GMT
Now I have just said it is very close. Now you can take a gentle hint or launch into another argument it is entirely up to you. I have said my piece, addressing Bro. Russell's opinions rather than his person, and while some may regard it as close to a personal attack, when I answered Maat's provocative question, in accordance with Russell's permissive invitation to "Go for it," as Maxwell Smart would say, I " missed it, by that much."
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Post by penfold on Jul 23, 2008 10:39:14 GMT
Is it that crystals facilitate connection of humans to the rest of Creation? How would that occur? How might we test that? I believe that they do, taking crystals to equate with rocks, minerals, etc, then it is, in my experience, true that touching or holding certain mineral objexts affects different people in different ways, I feel a very strong connection to turquoise and feel calmer and more centred when holding or wearing it. I don't know for certain why I feel this connection, but it is physiologically noticeable. I also believe that this 'resonance' (for want of a better phrase) is present because at a sub atomic particle level we are all part of the same creation. It's either that or I am going to be the next David Icke.....
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Post by lauderdale on Jul 23, 2008 11:47:06 GMT
Crystals certainly resonate. They are used in Electronics for this reason and will also in some configurations generate an electric current if squeezed, www.answers.com/topic/piezoelectricity. I feel we are scratching the surface of the amazing properties of various crystals. Not to sure about your remarks regarding "sub atomic level" etc, still If that is what you believe, good luck to you. Who am I to criticise?
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Post by Tamrin on Jul 23, 2008 12:13:28 GMT
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Post by penfold on Jul 23, 2008 13:28:38 GMT
Bet he is experiencing some resonance!
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Post by maat on Jul 24, 2008 0:52:56 GMT
If I go to a mineral museum (and I do) I cannot resist running my hands above the crystal collections. I am getting all tingly just remembering the experiences. And how about tissue salts (crystals). I can personally attest that these can have a great a beneficial affect upon one's health and well being. Two very healthy and active ladies in my lodge have used nothing else for their whole lives, when it comes to health. One is 91 and the other 87. The 91 year old has the clearest eyes I have ever seen in my entire life. They take your breath away. The 87 year old looks 10 years younger and only quite work two years ago. She run a medium size organisation. Sadly, she did feel the need to resign as our organist last meeting. www.hindunet.com.au/tissue_salts.htmlGetting back to the larger crystals, I had laying on its side on the bedside table for a while. I began to get headaches and could not sleep. Finally connected the symptoms to the possible cause, removed the crystal and all was well again. I'm not a crystal crowder, but I have an inkling of why some get excited about them. Maat PS Remember the crystal radios we had as kids?
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Post by Tamrin on Jul 25, 2008 9:56:06 GMT
Back on track:
Reality / Imagination
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Post by maat on Jul 31, 2008 4:53:35 GMT
Does the Most Simple Science Theory of Reality Work?www.spaceandmotion.com/Most-Simple-Scientific-Theory-Reality.htmInteresting read... Leibniz wrote; 'Reality cannot be found except in One single source, because of the interconnection of all things with one another'. This link will show you how you might find reality at the Centre. And there is a bit of Pythagorus & Euclid for good measure. And it is all 'science'... Maat
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 1, 2008 23:18:49 GMT
Though one might crave steak, there are only sausages to be had—Get used to it! By this, I am using the old analogy of the mind as a sausage machine, in which the noumenon, or thing itself (the steak), is processed by the mind to produce phenomenon, or that which we perceive (the sausage meat), each wrapped in contrived preconceptions and categories (the sausage skins). With the product (the sausages) being dependant on the thing itself, together with the nature of our minds, our perceptions and our preconceptions. All is not, however, hopeless. We still manage to communicate and reach some degree of agreement. As Max Born stated: One person cannot convey the concept of red, but two people can agree (on the colour).
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Post by hollandr on Aug 1, 2008 23:40:10 GMT
>One person cannot convey the concept of red
That is a very interesting proposition.
For example, it is a commonplace to refer to "seeing red" or experiencing a "red mist" when becoming very angry. That suggests that redness can be experienced independently of physical sight
In which case it may be possible to trigger in another person the experience of redness - as a basis for a shared concept of red.
How about other colours?
- blue with depression - green with envy - yellow with cowardice.
Are there more colours that are referenced by psychological states?
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 2, 2008 0:14:52 GMT
I suggest you consider Synesthesia: Synesthesia (also spelled synæsthesia or synaesthesia, plural synesthesiae or synaesthesiae)—from the Ancient Greek σύν (syn), meaning "with," and αἴσθησις (aisthēsis), meaning "sensation" — is a neurologically-based phenomenon in which stimulation of one sensory or cognitive pathway leads to automatic, involuntary experiences in a second sensory or cognitive pathway. In one common form of synesthesia, known as grapheme → color synesthesia, letters or numbers are perceived as inherently colored, while in ordinal linguistic personification, numbers, days of the week and months of the year evoke personalities. In spatial-sequence, or number form synesthesia, numbers, months of the year, and/or days of the week elicit precise locations in space (for example, 1980 may be "farther away" than 1990), or may have a (three-dimensional) view of a year as a map (clockwise or counterclockwise).
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Post by astraia on Aug 2, 2008 0:32:16 GMT
Regarding colours and psychological states: it may well be a variant of synesthesia. Synesthesia is a "condition" whereby sensory neural networks in the brain overlap and essentially synesthetes may perceive sounds as colours or as smells or as shapes in the "mind's eye", similarly with other senses. Here are a couple of links: a whole battery of tests in the field of neuroscience and biophysics have been developed in order to define the parameters for the classification of "true" synesthesia, and it is being linked to both this matter of neural pathways overlapping and possibly as a dormant ability that can be developed and used for memorization, artistic uses, and even assessment in bodywork. www.synaesthesia.uwaterloo.ca/www.uel.ac.uk/psychology/research/synaesthesia/www.doctorhugo.org/synaesthesia/www.idarolfsbrahms.com/articles_1.cfmAs for crystalline energies, or sensing energies in general. Sure, there are a lot of nuts out there. However, modern consciousness theory and biophysic research have pushed the borders within accepted academic research to where the medical field is - grudgingly - admitting that there is a lot more room for research and hypotheses regarding the healing applications of energy medicine. See this man's work www.energyresearch.bizland.comHe is a pioneer in the field and being taken very seriously indeed,having set up magnetic imaging equipment that has been able to locate 'energy' waves put out by humans and record the effect of intentionality and thus the possibility of honing and utilizing these abilities. It has also now been ascertained that our perceptual abilities may only be able to, eg, perceive a certain set of wavelengths of light or sound, however in lab conditions (repeatable) findings concluded that we can in fact subconsciously - or intuitively - it's very similar - perceive and react to stimuli well beyond our accepted range of hearing or sight. Some people who may be hypersensitive can 'see' or ;'feel' these energy fields and perhaps even manipulate them, others cannot. It's no different than exercising a muscle however - and I might add that there is peer-reviewed research to support all of the above. It is mainly available through scientific journals available for subscribers only on www.sciencedirect.com, but if anyone's interested I have a few articles saved - PM me if you would like me to forward. I have written two chapters for an academic textbook on manual assessment in bodywork, one on the use of intuition in assessment, one on synesthesia and its potential applications. It's in press right now so I can't forward anything as I am bound by copyright; I'm only bringing that up to point out that the underlying evidence is very solid. Quantum theory, consciousness theory, biophysics and integrative medicine have taken giant leaps in the last few years and are well on their way to proving scientifically many theories thus far dismissed as hogwash - to the extent that they're actually exonerating a lot of what has been thought of as superstitious nonsense since the enlightenment. Given my current studies in the history of Western Esotericism I can't help but find that amusing and .... enlightening! (pun intended! ) This is pushing the edges of science right now as well as what scientists are gradually conceding is reality.... and not a foil hat in sight.
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 2, 2008 0:55:45 GMT
We read: A review of Energy Medicine: The Scientific Basisby James L. Oschman. London: Churchill Livingstone, an imprint of Harcourt Publishers Limited, 2000. 274 pp. ISBN 0-443-06261-7 by Harriet Hall, MD Skeptic Magazine, Vol. 11, Nr. 3, 2005 quackfiles.blogspot.com/2006/01/review-of-energy-medicine-scientific.htmlQuote: …James Oschman believes that the phenomena of energy medicine can be studied, measured, and explained by science without invoking any mysterious life forces or unmeasurable subtle energies. He marshals a large body of experimental evidence and argument to try to support his thesis. -snip- Oschman concludes that energy medicine was discovered before its time, but now the time has come to integrate it into scientific knowledge. There is probably no single "life force" or "healing energy." Instead, there is an interaction of many electrical, magnetic, elastic, acoustic, thermal, gravitational, and photonic energies, and possibly other subtle energies that remain to be discovered. He claims that there is a growing body of evidence for energy healing, but that even carefully controlled studies have been dismissed, simply because science does not recognize their rationale. This is not true; the positive evidence is of poor quality and is outweighed by the negative evidence that this book consistently refuses to acknowledge. -snip- This book masquerades as science, but it amounts to little more than speculation and polemic in support of a preconceived belief. The tragedy is that energy medicine believers now have a book whose very title may lead them to think there is "proof" that their experiences have a scientific basis. Many scientifically naïve readers will be convinced. Critical thinkers will not.
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Post by hollandr on Aug 2, 2008 1:15:44 GMT
I am not sure that the common experience of "seeing red" can be classified as synesthesia since it is there is no crossing over of senses. The red is visually experienced - just without the presence of any physical redness
Does this mean that colour is not based in the physical world?
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